Junkyard Turbo Setup

[PSI2HI]

I don't see how I got owned by that. I don't feel compelled to right anything more on this thread, so I will copy and past what I've already said. Obviously some of you have a difficulty reading this.

1) You haven't done this for a HONDA. Honda electronics and engines are different than DSM. You made 500whp? Big whoop, so has about five hundred other turbo AWD 4g63's out there. There are several DSM guys out there running 9's.

2) AFC's cannot accommodate different compression pistons. They cannot accommodate the fact that you have an upgraded valve train and can rev higher. They cannot accommodate a turbocharger. This is all for a STOCK Honda ecu.

3) Nobody said anything about using Hondata without a dyno. Just like you can't use your fuel computer without a dyno. We can easily hook up a wideband to Hondata, we just don't have a dyno. If worst comes to worst, we can do track tune runs in spring. And because of your attitude, I don't believe I will be using yours.

4) There are no cars under 10 seconds using an AFC. There are a few that are using Hondata.

5) DSM's can use AFC's more effectively than a Honda can, because it's a boosted car stock. Its ECU understands boost. Honda ECUs do not.

My point here is not that AFCs are shit. My point is that a turbo Honda needs MORE than an AFC. This whole thread was not meant to insult particular product or anyone.

If you like to use a VAFC and a stock ECU with your turbo Honda, fine. We'll just be using something else.


Gotta love the NEWBIES!!

[mwc1]

Everyone has there dumb moments at some time...even i did...i admit it.

[Joel]

I think one of your dumb moments was starting a business out of your garage! haha jk I'm gonna get some real shit for this comment, so i apologize for being a bit too viscious, but i couldn't resist!

[mwc1]

haha you have no idea what my garage is even...it used to be a used car/auto body place...so its a big garage, has a showroom, lifts, everything.

[Bryce]

What happed to the other thread?

[Flowcus]

This post was deleted by me... for my own stupidity.

Thank you have a nice day.... Bitches!

[amicheze]

Gotta love the NEWBIES!!

gotta love the people who start unnecessary drama!!

[PSI2HI]

Gotta love 17 year old newbie know it all's.

[PSI2HI]

If you think you can just burn a chip and slap it in your car you got another thing coming. Yes chips can work but they need to be setup on a dyno or using a wideband. If your jjust guessing your wasting your time and asking for trouble.

Also last time i checked when adding larger injectors i wasn't adding ikn more fuel w/ an AFC. So obviously your not quite sure about exactly what the AFC is actually doing. Last time i checked i was pulling out a decent amount of fuel. And my A/F ratio is about damn dead on as it can get. How you plan to do that w/ your chip w/o any A/F logging is way beyond me. You must know some magic trick that everyone else doesn't.

You say AFC's dont go 9's. Where the fuck did that information comde from. You saying your chip is gonna support a tune for a 9 sec setup?

We can end this issue if you will just burn me a chip for my hatch, i'll put it in and prove to you in person on a wideband that it wont even be close top where im @ now w/ and AFC. We have dyno'd many cars that have done this same thing you plan on doing and they make no power.

[bluesrt4]

haha you have no idea what my garage is even...it used to be a used car/auto body place...so its a big garage, has a showroom, lifts, everything.
I'm jealous; you got a lift (& a show room) this a personal garage when u started.. U running a business thru it now? If so what all u do?

[Bryce]

Mwc1??? anyway I want your family!

[AcesHigh]

1) Look through Hondata.com for many examples of sub-10 second runs using a chip.
2) You can hook a wideband to a chipped ECU and datalog to your heart's content.
3) You wouldn't neccesarily need a dyno, although it greatly increases accuracy. Tuning can be done using track runs.

Why isn't this thread closed yet.

[PSI2HI]

Why isn't it closed? Because im in charge of it, thats why. So your gonna do your tune on a track w/o datalogging or using a wideband?

A.) If you have no datalogging your in a world of hurt.
B.) If your burning a chip w/o any A/F graphs based off the vehicle your in a world of hurt.
C.) If your buring a chip and just adding fuel on the stock injectors and maxing out the duty cycle your in a world of hurt.

Why do you keep using Hondata as a refrence? When did Hondata come into play here? IMO Hondata is a watse of fucking $$. By the time you have the unit, romulator, and burner you've put more into the system then you would have just buying a AEM. I would rather be using a AEM than a Hondata anyday. My biggest concern here is where are you getting the fuel tables/timing tables/boost tables from. If you dont have bigger injectors you can just go and add more fuel into the game, your gonna overun the injectors. If you have no datlogging/wideband how are you tuning?

Honestly here now, i wanna test your chip burning ability. I'll tell you my exact setup and i want you to burn me a chip. I wanna put it on the wideband and see how it does. If you know this system like you claim you do, you should have no problems setting up my fuel/boost/timing tables. Secondly im going to the track next weekend, i'll run your chip vs my AFC and compare them on a track.

[Jim]

1) Look through Hondata.com for many examples of sub-10 second runs using a chip.
2) You can hook a wideband to a chipped ECU and datalog to your heart's content.
3) You wouldn't neccesarily need a dyno, although it greatly increases accuracy. Tuning can be done using track runs.

Why isn't this thread closed yet.


Becuase you keep making stupid responses.

[seanjohn]

Why isn't it closed? Because im in charge of it, thats why. So your gonna do your tune on a track w/o datalogging or using a wideband?

A.) If you have no datalogging your in a world of hurt.
B.) If your burning a chip w/o any A/F graphs based off the vehicle your in a world of hurt.
C.) If your buring a chip and just adding fuel on the stock injectors and maxing out the duty cycle your in a world of hurt.

Why do you keep using Hondata as a refrence? When did Hondata come into play here? IMO Hondata is a watse of fucking $$. By the time you have the unit, romulator, and burner you've put more into the system then you would have just buying a AEM. I would rather be using a AEM than a Hondata anyday. My biggest concern here is where are you getting the fuel tables/timing tables/boost tables from. If you dont have bigger injectors you can just go and add more fuel into the game, your gonna overun the injectors. If you have no datlogging/wideband how are you tuning?

Honestly here now, i wanna test your chip burning ability. I'll tell you my exact setup and i want you to burn me a chip. I wanna put it on the wideband and see how it does. If you know this system like you claim you do, you should have no problems setting up my fuel/boost/timing tables. Secondly im going to the track next weekend, i'll run your chip vs my AFC and compare them on a track.

Any "standalone" (hondata, aem, blah blah blah) is a big waste of money IMHO unless you are running a VERY serious setup. Honda ECU's are capable of running boost, higher compression, nitrous, etc. which the proper map. Do your research and you will find out it is not necessary for even quite a bit over moderate setups.

*Edit* One plus side to stand alone is being able to tune 'on the fly' however, in this case its probably well worth its money. In my case I just have a couple chips, one tuned for each setup (track day, street, different jets, etc.).

[PSI2HI]

Yeah, and you can tune on the fly w/ an AFC as well. You guys are not supporting your chips is so good theory here. And im still waiting for one of you 2 to burn me a chip to test for my car. Idk why its so difficult, i'll pay for the chip to prove the point.

I know exactly what you guys are trying to do. Your gonna buy some chip off the internet for some setup that is close to what your running on your own vehicle which is fucking stupid. The only reason i thought of running a AEM was to get the 3 bar MAP but its possibly to wire that up now to the stock ECU sop im gonna continue on w/ my "worthless" AFC.

I'll agree a chip can work but the way most of you are doing them is just stupid. If you don't have the equipment or ability to burn you own chips w/ the tables that suite your car then their just a waste of time. I sitll like the tune on the fly ability of a AFC better though.

[treimche]

Any "standalone" (hondata, aem, blah blah blah) is a big waste of money IMHO unless you are running a VERY serious setup. Honda ECU's are capable of running boost, higher compression, nitrous, etc. which the proper map. Do your research and you will find out it is not necessary for even quite a bit over moderate setups.

*Edit* One plus side to stand alone is being able to tune 'on the fly' however, in this case its probably well worth its money. In my case I just have a couple chips, one tuned for each setup (track day, street, different jets, etc.).

You are not correct on the standalone setups. There is more power to be had even out of a bone stock car. The factory fuel maps are normally pretty rich and pretty tame on the timing maps too. I'm not saying that you will get another 100HP out of tuning a stock car, but you will be able to get something. It's pretty nice being in control over whatever the car is doing.

So why hasn't this point been done and taken care of yet? All you have to do is burn the chip and Nick will throw it in, run it, and compare the results. Very simple. I will also call bullshit on the chip burning theory you have going on here.

[AcesHigh]

I think I've said this about fifteen billion times. Did you even read that post above, or are you totally incapable of that? There WILL be datalogging (accessible via chipping). There WILL be a wideband (accessible via chipping). I cannot burn you a chip based on the mods you tell me. I CAN burn you a chip for a stock car. Many stock maps are available through Hondata. I CAN burn you a chip after a day of testing and tuning. It will involve modifying these maps.

Hondata IS chipping! That's why I mention it! You obviously have no idea what this whole process involves, so just stick with your AFC powered Diamond Star. As you add on a different turbo, different sized injectors, different compression pistons, your AFC will be your performance bottleneck. So be it.

[PSI2HI]

I think I've said this about fifteen billion times. Did you even read that post above, or are you totally incapable of that? There WILL be datalogging (accessible via chipping). There WILL be a wideband (accessible via chipping). I cannot burn you a chip based on the mods you tell me. I CAN burn you a chip for a stock car. Many stock maps are available through Hondata. I CAN burn you a chip after a day of testing and tuning. It will involve modifying these maps.

Hondata IS chipping! That's why I mention it! You obviously have no idea what this whole process involves, so just stick with your AFC powered Diamond Star. As you add on a different turbo, different sized injectors, different compression pistons, your AFC will be your performance bottleneck. So be it.

I dont have a DSM, i have a 92 civic hatch!

Nowhere in this thread does it say you have a datalogger/wideband or will be using one. It says you can hook up a datalogger but you never once said you owned it or a wideband. Also in the past thread you guys stated that you kind find chips online for any setup being there are so many different onces out there you can use one thats close. That being said, find me one, i wanna test it out. Can i give you my hatch and you burn a chip for it this week? I wanna test it via live data vs. my AFC tune.

Oh, and your right, i have no idea how this process works, thats why i've built cars that have went faster and made twice as much power as any of yours, and why we have the fastest 4 cyl's in the state!!!

[Wizard]

Isn't there a 4-cyl DSM running mid 7s with stock ECU and VPC (aka piggyback) with a GCC (aka AFC by HKS)? Some performance bottleneck. For most street cars, piggybacks are fine. Standalones should be left more to the more serious track-only cars. Constant climate changes, etc makes constant changes with standalone a PITA.

Al Blaha ran mid 10s at 132 in his 90 AWD with stock ECU, 1st gen AFC, and the motor never left the car. Drove the car on green DOTs over 3 hours every month or so to run the local import drags.

If you want a 3-bar MAP....just goto AutoZone or Advance and buy the GM 3-bar for the Turbo V6 Trans-Ams. $55.00.....not sure if the signal output is the same....but probably is.

Wiz

[seanjohn]

I dont have a DSM, i have a 92 civic hatch!

Nowhere in this thread does it say you have a datalogger/wideband or will be using one. It says you can hook up a datalogger but you never once said you owned it or a wideband. Also in the past thread you guys stated that you kind find chips online for any setup being there are so many different onces out there you can use one thats close. That being said, find me one, i wanna test it out. Can i give you my hatch and you burn a chip for it this week? I wanna test it via live data vs. my AFC tune.

Oh, and your right, i have no idea how this process works, thats why i've built cars that have went faster and made twice as much power as any of yours, and why we have the fastest 4 cyl's in the state!!!

Give me your setup - I'll get you a map. It's not that tough, for someone who owns a shop you should be a little better informed. Albeit, I do understand your support of expensive aftermarket parts.

This is what I do.

Step 1 - E-mail Kenji, give him my setup, he gets me a custom map as close as he can.

Step 2 - Take car to Elite (or anyone that knows how to dynotune with hondata, uberdata, crome, turboedit, aem, blah blah blah whatever). They use a wideband or dyno to create/burn maps.

Step 3 - Drive car. Spend extra money on waste of cash juiced scooter.

[Jim]

Give me your setup - I'll get you a map. It's not that tough, for someone who owns a shop you should be a little better informed. Albeit, I do understand your support of expensive aftermarket parts.

This is what I do.

Step 1 - E-mail Kenji, give him my setup, he gets me a custom map as close as he can.

Step 2 - Take car to Elite (or anyone that knows how to dynotune with hondata, uberdata, crome, turboedit, aem, blah blah blah whatever). They use a wideband or dyno to create/burn maps.

Step 3 - Drive car. Spend extra money on waste of cash juiced scooter.

You all are the ones mis-informed not nick...

If you think back, nowhere did you talk about "step 2" previously. This is the most critical part if you are going to be using chipped ecu's. You cant just slap a chip in that has "roughly" been made out for the car with mods, and then drive it, becuase it simpley will not work. If you hop on the dyno in conjunction with a wideband, I know for a fact that there is no problem with this.

You missed the point that this was going to be a chipped car with no wideband or no dyno.

Oh and you all are fucking WE-TODD-ED if you think AFC's dont work well

[seanjohn]

You all are the ones mis-informed not nick...

If you think back, nowhere did you talk about "step 2" previously. This is the most critical part if you are going to be using chipped ecu's. You cant just slap a chip in that has "roughly" been made out for the car with mods, and then drive it, becuase it simpley will not work. If you hop on the dyno in conjunction with a wideband, I know for a fact that there is no problem with this.

You missed the point that this was going to be a chipped car with no wideband or no dyno.

Oh and you all are fucking WE-TODD-ED if you think AFC's dont work well

With a mild setup I think you can skip step two and you'd be "ok". Obviously you won't be reaching your motors maximum potential...but typically they are mapped safe enough that your motor should be safe. I have no experience with AFC, but I have heard mostly bad things. And 8 point 500rpm interval fuel adjustments don't seem like they would exactly do it for me, but again, I have no experience with them. I'll stick with my route, seems to be the cheapest-easiest-most friendly way of doing things.

[My NOva]

what are u argueing about???

[seanjohn]

Arguing ? I didn't realize I was arguing about anything. Why, what are you arguing about?

[PSiedTSi]

by the way afcs are 200rpm intervals

[seanjohn]

No...it's 500rpm.

[PSiedTSi]

afcIIs i believe are 200rpm

[seanjohn]

afcIIs i believe are 200rpm

Yep, the II is also twelve point as opposed to eight.

[My NOva]

told u

[seanjohn]

told u

Haha, I thought you were just talking about the original. But yeah, you were right.

[PSI2HI]

Haha, I thought you were just talking about the original. But yeah, you were right.

Haha, you did all this talking up of your chips/tuning up and youir not even the one doing it, bwahaha. Bring it on little man, bring it on.

How about YOU burn me a chip. Your just an internet NOOB who reads the internet then all of the sudden thinks he knowsd everything. You flat out said you have no experience w/ an AFC but yet you bash it, how's this work? Continue w/ your ways of doing it, thats fine but you will always be 2 steps behind. You can run a new AFC and have 200 rpm incrments of adjustability as well as store 2 different maps.

[seanjohn]

Haha, you did all this talking up of your chips/tuning up and youir not even the one doing it, bwahaha. Bring it on little man, bring it on.

How about YOU burn me a chip. Your just an internet NOOB who reads the internet then all of the sudden thinks he knowsd everything. You flat out said you have no experience w/ an AFC but yet you bash it, how's this work? Continue w/ your ways of doing it, thats fine but you will always be 2 steps behind. You can run a new AFC and have 200 rpm incrments of adjustability as well as store 2 different maps.

Oh nick, you really know how to gain yourself some business don't you? I never claimed to use and AFC, I have always used burned chips, and I have NEVER had a problem running one. I have never blown motors (can you say that???) If when you sayed that "Im not the one even doing it, bwa-ha-hah-ha" you mean that I don't create and burn my own maps??? Then yeah. I don't. There are people out there who are far better tuners with better equipment than me...I leave it up to the pro's. Furthermore, I never bashed an AFC, I came straight out and said I have no experience with it, can claimed everything I stated was strictly "what I heard". I would love to burn you a chip, but I don't have the means to do it. If you want to front the cash moneybags, I'll get you a chip.

It sounds like you just really want to bitch and prove you are right. I use chips, they work perfect for me, and right now I have a damn perfect tune on my car without standalone or AFC, and I'm willing to bet I spent less. I'm not sayinr your way is wrong, I'm just saying MY WAY WORKS. Quit arguing on the internet trying to make yourself seem like your the god damn best, don't you have a shop to run or something?

[integra_gsr98]

If you want to front the cash moneybags, I'll get you a chip.

It sounds like you just really want to bitch and prove you are right. I use chips, they work perfect for me, and right now I have a damn perfect tune on my car without standalone or AFC, and I'm willing to bet I spent less. I'm not sayinr your way is wrong, I'm just saying MY WAY WORKS. Quit arguing on the internet trying to make yourself seem like your the god damn best, don't you have a shop to run or something?

I spent 3 hours on the dyno with Hondata and my tune wasn't perfect when I was done with my car. It ran hard but as soon as it got to the track the added load was making it load up on top. I didn't have time to make those changes at the track.

I have a full xtronics emulator/burner setup so you get me a .bin file for Nick's hatch and I'll donate the eeprom and the time to burn it.

[PSI2HI]

Oh nick, you really know how to gain yourself some business don't you? I never claimed to use and AFC, I have always used burned chips, and I have NEVER had a problem running one. I have never blown motors (can you say that???) If when you sayed that "Im not the one even doing it, bwa-ha-hah-ha" you mean that I don't create and burn my own maps??? Then yeah. I don't. There are people out there who are far better tuners with better equipment than me...I leave it up to the pro's. Furthermore, I never bashed an AFC, I came straight out and said I have no experience with it, can claimed everything I stated was strictly "what I heard". I would love to burn you a chip, but I don't have the means to do it. If you want to front the cash moneybags, I'll get you a chip.

It sounds like you just really want to bitch and prove you are right. I use chips, they work perfect for me, and right now I have a damn perfect tune on my car without standalone or AFC, and I'm willing to bet I spent less. I'm not sayinr your way is wrong, I'm just saying MY WAY WORKS. Quit arguing on the internet trying to make yourself seem like your the god damn best, don't you have a shop to run or something?

So basically we're back to the point of buring a chip based off a setup not based off logs/A/F ratios. Because if your not the one creating the maps or buring the chips who is? If your just telling someone your setup and their burning a chip of that there is no way its a perfect tune. Tuning a chip is damn near basically the same as tuning a full standalone just the fgact you dont have any adjustabilityonce the chip is burnt. Where you not the one who said in the last thread a AFC is not the correct or right way to accomodate for larger injectors? If you have no experience w/ using an AFC you shouldn't be commenting that its not the right way to do things. It is by far the easiest way and you have on the fly adjustability for weather changes, altitude, race gas, etc..

[seanjohn]

So basically we're back to the point of buring a chip based off a setup not based off logs/A/F ratios. Because if your not the one creating the maps or buring the chips who is? If your just telling someone your setup and their burning a chip of that there is no way its a perfect tune. Tuning a chip is damn near basically the same as tuning a full standalone just the fgact you dont have any adjustabilityonce the chip is burnt. Where you not the one who said in the last thread a AFC is not the correct or right way to accomodate for larger injectors? If you have no experience w/ using an AFC you shouldn't be commenting that its not the right way to do things. It is by far the easiest way and you have on the fly adjustability for weather changes, altitude, race gas, etc..

I do not recall ever saying AFC was not the correct way to tune, If I did...It was simply a misunderstanding. I am NOT the type of person to claim that what I do is THE right way. However, chipped ECU's have always worked for me. Maybe AFC's have always worked for you...but the vast majority of people I talk to suggest staying away from AFC's.

Typically, what I do is have a chip burned based on my setup. I then take this base map and have it tuned of A/F ratio. I do this because my setup is a little beyond mild. For the typical streetcar with bolt-on's I don't find it absolutely essential...of course you will gain some power, but its a trade in with the $ factor. I don't even know what the hell we are talking about, cause it sounds like you agree with what I do is right, and I'm definitely not saying your way is wrong. Different strokes for different folks. Just for shits it cost me app. $300 for a near perfect tune...what does it cost to go the AFC route. I'm curious, like I said, I have little-to-no experience with the AFC.

[PSI2HI]

I do not recall ever saying AFC was not the correct way to tune, If I did...It was simply a misunderstanding. I am NOT the type of person to claim that what I do is THE right way. However, chipped ECU's have always worked for me. Maybe AFC's have always worked for you...but the vast majority of people I talk to suggest staying away from AFC's.

Typically, what I do is have a chip burned based on my setup. I then take this base map and have it tuned of A/F ratio. I do this because my setup is a little beyond mild. For the typical streetcar with bolt-on's I don't find it absolutely essential...of course you will gain some power, but its a trade in with the $ factor. I don't even know what the hell we are talking about, cause it sounds like you agree with what I do is right, and I'm definitely not saying your way is wrong. Different strokes for different folks. Just for shits it cost me app. $300 for a near perfect tune...what does it cost to go the AFC route. I'm curious, like I said, I have little-to-no experience with the AFC.

Are you even running a boosted setup? On a NA application this isn't even worth it for a car w/ bolt on's. You can pick up brand new AFC2's for $300, less if you go for an old AFC. @ this rate you have the on the fly adjustability. We have dyno'd many vehicles w/ these chips burnt based off the setup, they are never even close. What the point of having that chip burnt when your gonna go back in there and redo it anyways. How would you even know where to start if you were going to burn me a chip for my setup w/o having the vehicle on a wideband.

[PSI2HI]

Are you even running a boosted setup? On a NA application this isn't even worth it for a car w/ bolt on's. You can pick up brand new AFC2's for $300, less if you go for an old AFC. @ this rate you have the on the fly adjustability. We have dyno'd many vehicles w/ these chips burnt based off the setup, they are never even close. What the point of having that chip burnt when your gonna go back in there and redo it anyways. How would you even know where to start if you were going to burn me a chip for my setup w/o having the vehicle on a wideband.

For most people a chip would work if it was burnt on the dyno and tuned perfectly. Most people dont do that though they order these chips offline that are burnt based off a setup and they are never close the A/F maps are junk and they make no power. For simplicity, i can take a car put a AFC on it, slap the wideband on, go out for a half hour and be done w/ a perfectly tuned car now the persaon doesn't have to worry about finding a dyno, finding someone to adjust their chip, and finding someone to reburn the chip.

[seanjohn]

For most people a chip would work if it was burnt on the dyno and tuned perfectly. Most people dont do that though they order these chips offline that are burnt based off a setup and they are never close the A/F maps are junk and they make no power. For simplicity, i can take a car put a AFC on it, slap the wideband on, go out for a half hour and be done w/ a perfectly tuned car now the persaon doesn't have to worry about finding a dyno, finding someone to adjust their chip, and finding someone to reburn the chip.

I have a base map burned typically to get the car in range of a good tune. Since Dyno tuning is usually around $100 an hour, I like to get it as close as I can before I bring it in. I run a nitroused ls/vtec right now, but it is soon to be supercharged around 7lbs. If you can promise me a near perfect tune on your wideband with and AFC for a descent price, you've got yourself a new customer. I haven't used an AFC before, but if it really is that easy I'll bite on it.

[PSI2HI]

I have a base map burned typically to get the car in range of a good tune. Since Dyno tuning is usually around $100 an hour, I like to get it as close as I can before I bring it in. I run a nitroused ls/vtec right now, but it is soon to be supercharged around 7lbs. If you can promise me a near perfect tune on your wideband with and AFC for a descent price, you've got yourself a new customer. I haven't used an AFC before, but if it really is that easy I'll bite on it.

You have that green 4dr integra? I'd turbo way before i ever thought of supercharging, why no turbo?

[My NOva]

He comes to the other side...swish

[seanjohn]

You have that green 4dr integra? I'd turbo way before i ever thought of supercharging, why no turbo?

I've got a suzuka blue crx hf. The reason I'm going to supercharge is I'm running about 10.4:1 compressions plus a 100shot now. I'm gonna drop the shot to 75, and I don't want to change the bottom end setup...the most boost I will probably run is 7lbs or so, and for that amount of boost a JR is cheaper. Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?

[Bryce]

Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?

I'm also quite interested in this question. BTW sean we can do datalogging if you ever need to do that.

Do you have a Wide Band Sean?

[seanjohn]

I'm also quite interested in this question. BTW sean we can do datalogging if you ever need to do that.

Do you have a Wide Band Sean?

I thought about buying one with my brother, I'm actually looking into it now. But if SLS isn't too expensive I might just end up using theirs.

[PSI2HI]

I've got a suzuka blue crx hf. The reason I'm going to supercharge is I'm running about 10.4:1 compressions plus a 100shot now. I'm gonna drop the shot to 75, and I don't want to change the bottom end setup...the most boost I will probably run is 7lbs or so, and for that amount of boost a JR is cheaper. Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?


Shit, i've seen you drive down Fiechtner past the shop numerous times. I think you were in GF when i was up there this past summer w/ my white Teg. IntegraGSR_98 has a editotr/romulator and i have the wideband, etc..

[seanjohn]

Shit, i've seen you drive down Fiechtner past the shop numerous times. I think you were in GF when i was up there this past summer w/ my white Teg. IntegraGSR_98 has a editotr/romulator and i have the wideband, etc..

I was never in GF, but you've maybe seen me around town.

I'm giving this AFC option a bit more thought, and I will look into it. HOWEVER...

There is still a chance I'd like to stay the chipped route. In this case, I need to figure out what kind of editor to use for a pr3, then we could strap it on your wideband and create/burn maps. I wish I had some experience with map editing.

[integra_gsr98]

If you want to stick with the chipped route the minimum I would recommend would be to go with an older Hondata 2b. (right around $400 for this setup) That way there will be boost tables, legit heavily used software, and I have everything necessary to tune and install it. The only thing necessary would be the use of my stage 4 system for datalogging during the initial tune.

Otherwise I also have Uberdata laying around, (right around $25 for this setup) and although it has zero datalogging capabilities, I know tuftes wideband should be able to handle rpm to a/f ratio logging.

[seanjohn]

If you want to stick with the chipped route the minimum I would recommend would be to go with an older Hondata 2b. (right around $400 for this setup) That way there will be boost tables, legit heavily used software, and I have everything necessary to tune and install it. The only thing necessary would be the use of my stage 4 system for datalogging during the initial tune.

Otherwise I also have Uberdata laying around, (right around $25 for this setup) and although it has zero datalogging capabilities, I know tuftes wideband should be able to handle rpm to a/f ratio logging.

I'd rather stay away from hondata just for cost reasons, and would prefer to tune with uberdata or turbo edit witha wideband. How much for your time and a burned chip?

[integra_gsr98]

We could work something out for that. Is the ECU for the vehicle chipped already? Or does it still have to be socketed?

[seanjohn]

We could work something out for that. Is the ECU for the vehicle chipped already? Or does it still have to be socketed?

Well, I was planning on sending it away to get it socketed, but if you know how to do it, I'll give you some business. I'll need a map for my soon-to-be setup, and then we'll have to do it again in about a year when I go turbo. Let me know.