DaveH;222255 wrote:
I'd like to start with the constitution and eliminate everything else.

amen

DaveH;222255 wrote:
I'd like to start with the constitution and eliminate everything else.

Fucking word.

Kill off the politicians that have laid waste to our society and economy for their personal gain.

thrash;222232 wrote:
-What would you change about the law if ND were to go its own way?

I'd like to start with the constitution and eliminate everything else.

Well hey, was watching the old 80's movie War Games and ND's Grand Forks air force base was like the 2nd target of the 'Russian's' nukes. So we gotta be somewhat important (probably because its a major refueling station for our military.)

Regarding how the laws would be different, the goal would be to "reset" the government a bit and slim it back down. If one were to start with nothing and rebuild the laws and framework in modern society it would be pretty disruptive. A more pragmatic approach would be to basically start with what the law of the land is today and make planned cuts / rollbacks where it made sense and where there was populist / constitutional support.

I think it should be clear from my other posts that I'm a big advocate of low taxes, high individual responsibility, and high individual freedom. At first blush it seems like the federal income tax would be completely eliminated (we certainly wouldn't be paying washington DC). That's putting a ton of money back into peoples pockets. The question is -- can ND be self sufficient without additional taxes on its residents? It might be the case that to provide a reasonable quality of life as ND transitions to a more local, responsible philosophy of governance, additional taxes are levied above the current state income tax to stabilize any budget shortfalls (there'd be a budget shortfall because ND currently receives federal aid both directly and indirectly).

As the government continues to cut away the inherited fat, I would expect that tax burden to lessen. I'd expect that on Day 1 people would be paying far less than their old federal tax rates, but more than their state rate of today.

Generally, the themes I am interested in are

• reducing the cost of government to its citizens (i.e. lower taxes, lower fees, fewer mandatory payouts)
• strong protections for gun owners
• stop corporate subsidies
• stop making the government work against itself
  (example: congress subsidizes some company to go build a factory. Then the EPA sues the company, and the government office that allowed it to happen)
• relaxing drug enforcement somewhat
• backing off of prosecuting "victimless crimes" in general
• re-working intellectual property laws to increase competitiveness and progress
• relaxing and/or replacing government regulation with 3rd party services
  (i.e. instead of Doctors deciding who is allowed to be a Doctor via the AMA (which is basically a doctors union, and keeps doctors salaries super inflated by restricting the number of new people who are legally allowed to practice medicine because they have a sweet deal with the government), why not let anyone be a "doctor" but make sure that there is sufficient information available to prospective patients to make a wise decision)
• lessening the influence of lawyers on all aspects of the law and on life

I don't think my ideas are main stream, and I'm not running for president/dictator/whatever.

What would you change about the law if ND were to go its own way?

KA-T_240;222216 wrote:
I do not know if it is still correct. But i know a couple of years ago if ND would have seceeded, it would be the 3rd largest Nuclear Party in the world, after Russia and the US. MT also has alot of that type of stuff.

It would have been the 3rd most powerful nation in the world and nuclear party

STiSchucky;222196 wrote:
north dakota needs a military?

wasnt that state like the 3rd most lethal state/country in the world at one point?

I do not know if it is still correct. But i know a couple of years ago if ND would have seceeded, it would be the 3rd largest Nuclear Party in the world, after Russia and the US. MT also has alot of that type of stuff.

HandoEX;222093 wrote:
I love ND but not enough to fight to seceed from the rest of the country. This would be about the the only way to get me to move to Moorhead.

x2^^^^ at that point you can keep your mosquito infested flatland.

STiSchucky;222196 wrote:
north dakota needs a military?

wasnt that state like the 3rd most lethal state/country in the world at one point?

I believe ND has a very high number of guns per capita if I'm not mistaken, in addition to a large amount of ICBMs, as already mentioned.

wasnt that state like the 3rd most lethal state/country in the world at one point?

It wouldn't make people on the coasts change their thinking about us, we would just become the "flyover country" rather than the "flyover state."

Rexwagon;222102 wrote:
...snip...We would definatley have to remove all immigrants from the state (not complaining about that at all), Becuase we couldnt afford to fund them like the feds do.

Lulz.

STiSchucky;222105 wrote:
sell fargo to minnesota. i dont wanna go through customs everytime i cross the river

Bullshit!! You live for body cavity searches.

But I honestly don't think that ND could support itself fully if we didn't have federal financial support. We would need to build up the borders and hire our own Border Patrol, for example. Sure we sell alot of wheat...but the gov't could tax any ND goods sold to suppliers in the US...no good.

There are the little things to account for. Financially ND would fail I think.

Oh yeah, you think the drug business is bad now? Wait until the feds aren't around, it'd get even worse.

-Eric

Wouldnt it end up costing us more money?
I definatley see the point with the second ammendment.

I would probably stay living here.