That should explain it, if you are at a 4 way stop first to stop is first to go, otherwise left turn yields to oncoming traffic.

*edit, sorry that pic is large.

The intersection in question needs a stoplight in my opinion. Instead the geniuses at the city felt that a stoplight at the new Menards exit/entrance was more important...that stoplight is a joke.

capitlj;252322 wrote:
I'm sorry I forgot to add something, when you arrive at the same time or close to the same time my statement is correct my apologies. If you arrive before then yes you have the right of way, but what if both of you have to wait 20 seconds for traffic to clear?

It does not matter how long you have to wait...whoever was there first gets to go first. You could arrive first, they could arrive 5 seconds later, and you both could wait for 5 years at that light. When you finally have the opening, YOU have the right of way because you were there first.

I emailed Moorhead PD and they confirmed my belief.

Hello,

You would be right to expect that you would have the right of way to
make the left turn north bound on hwy 52 if you came to a complete stop
prior to the 2nd vehicle and you were also clear to proceed onto hwy 52.
The problem is usually the second car does not believe you are able to
make the left turn because of south bound traffic on 52 so they proceed
with their right turn in front of you. You can read the law regarding
right of way below. Hope this helps if not you can email me back or
call.

Exactly what the officer said, the problem is the idiot on the other side THINKS, incorrectly, that they have the right of way.

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capitlj;252308 wrote:
You do that's what the law says. Turning cars have to yield to cars that are not turning and left turning cars yield to right turning ones. It might not make much sense but going off the, "I was here first rule," is a bad idea.

It is NOT what the law says. The person who arrives first has the right-of-way is what the law says...That is like saying at a 4 way stop if I arrive first and am turning and then someone else arrives later and is going straight they have the right of way...that is wrong...first there first to leave.

From MN Laws:

169.20 RIGHT-OF-WAY.
Subdivision 1.Approaching intersection.

(a) When two vehicles enter an uncontrolled intersection from different highways at approximately the same time, the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on the right.

(b) When two vehicles enter an intersection controlled by stop signs or by blinking red traffic signals requiring drivers or vehicles from any direction to stop before proceeding, the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on the right.

(c) At an uncontrolled approach to a T-shaped intersection, the driver required to turn shall yield to the cross traffic.

(d) The driver of any vehicle traveling at an unlawful speed shall forfeit any right-of-way which the driver might otherwise have hereunder.

(e) The foregoing rules are modified as hereinafter stated in this section.
Subd. 2.Left turn.

The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left within an intersection or into an alley, private road, or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle approaching from the opposite direction which is within the intersection or so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard.

This doesn't really make it overly clear because there is no mention of a control device (IE stopsign).

Generally at a stopsign left yields to right and last yields to first which is closer to the situation I'm mentioning. If it is uncontrolled or a green stoplight situation, left yields to straight.

Evo-lution;252252 wrote:
I think thats the more common thing to do is wait for the first person to go, at least what I would do. Most people think if they are going straight the people turning have to wait, that pisses me off too.

You do that's what the law says. Turning cars have to yield to cars that are not turning and left turning cars yield to right turning ones. It might not make much sense but going off the, "I was here first rule," is a bad idea.

Or something along those lines. I always love it when I've been waiting for 20-30 seconds and someone pulls up quick, an opening happens and I start pulling out and they do too, and then you see them yelling and flipping out over me pulling out. John if you get rid of the bonneville I want it back because I'd love to have that for situations I run into every day. Plus I'd like a car with a horn since the lexus' security system/horn system has issues when it gets cold out (I guess neighbors don't like it when your cars horn randomly decides to activate for an hour straight at 3AM).

Stop first = go first.

Most of the time, in my experience, people feel car B has the right of way when in fact I do believe car A does. This situation has led to me having to slam on my brakes in the middle of a fairly busy street because the dumbass in car B feels they have the right of way and starts going anyways. Back when I had the Bonneville I would have just kept driving and figured fuckem, if I hit them I'll just keep driving because I didn't give a shit about that car, with the lexus I'm not as willing to play chicken on these roads.

but they must be at the other side of the street.

so yes you are correct. people in fargo just dont know how to drive

There are countless times where I will be going straight and someone turning will sit and wait for me to go as I try wave them to go since they were there first...then a huge rush of traffic comes and you have to wait another 2-3 minutes due to the confusion.

And EVERY flipping day I have to deal with some asshole who thinks THEY have the right of way when I'm going to class/work. Turning off of 30th onto Highway 52 in South Moorhead you have to deal with idiots leaving the industrial park/RDO area and they ALWAYS will cut me off when I'm turning left and they are turning right. I can't think of a single week since I started driving where I haven't been cut off at some point either there or crossing university/getting onto university.

If you stop at a 4 way and two cars meet at the same time the one on the right has the right away. or so the book says so.