<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[boost creep vs turbine housing AR]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Ok I have little bit of a fun argument with a fellow forum member, to whom each has there own perspective yet agree on the basic 101 facts</p>
<p dir="auto">Question:</p>
<p dir="auto">If on a turbo system you have boost creep and even with the WG totally removed you still build 4psi.........  You could only address this problem by changing the turbine housing AR and nothing else</p>
<p dir="auto">which will help the problem??</p>
<p dir="auto">B.  <strong>Decrease the AR</strong> -  argument, By decreaseing the AR you have increased the backpressure of the system and in sense made the WG more efficient because the WG will be the path of least resistance because of the bottle neck at the turbine.</p>
<p dir="auto">A. <strong>Increase the AR</strong> - argument, By increasing the AR you have lowered the backpressure of the system and made it easier to control the turbine speed (boost). Also increasing the over all flow capacity of the turbine</p>
<p dir="auto">opinions please.....</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/topic/17847/boost-creep-vs-turbine-housing-ar</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 08:56:01 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://fargostreet.com/topic/17847.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:41:53 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">funny thing is it is a afi ramhorn. pretty standard manifold. so i think this guy is smoking crack, or something is up</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274824</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274824</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrifterExtreme]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:57 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:43:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">drifterextreme;286402 wrote:<br />
still think it is crazy it makes 4 psi without the wastegate on at all.</p>
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<p dir="auto">that has some serious flow issues through that wastegate elbow then. Thats nuts</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274818</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274818</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SPANISH-RICE]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:43:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:36:16 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">yes it was on honda-tech</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274810</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274810</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrifterExtreme]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:36:16 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:58:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">What car was that? Honda-Tech?</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274809</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274809</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[DelSlow]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:58:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:58:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">it was a civic with a ls motor. running a afi turbo kit, 57 trim 60/63, v-band 38mm gate.</p>
<p dir="auto">guy was trying to run 7 lbs and was creeping to 10-11 lbs. Also he is running stock redline 7200 and map sensor.</p>
<p dir="auto">So i had mentioned switching to the small a/r as it will spool sooner and help wastegate flow. all the larger housing will do in this case is slow down the turbine and increase lag.</p>
<p dir="auto">So there might be 2 ways to go about solving the problem. but in this case i think the smaller a/r is the way to go.</p>
<p dir="auto">still think it is crazy it makes 4 psi without the wastegate on at all.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274800</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274800</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrifterExtreme]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:58:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:29:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">so, what car?</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274798</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274798</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:29:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:21:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">haha, i will say i was wrong based on your response's. but i still think for the car me and zac talked about. it would have fixed the problem. but might be bad if generalized for every situation.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274796</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274796</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrifterExtreme]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:21:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:11:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Ok gone on long enough</p>
<p dir="auto">I had argued that increasing would, for the above reasoning</p>
<p dir="auto">the other FS member argued decreasing it would  for the above reasoning</p>
<p dir="auto">not gonna say who it was unless he wants to say something or argue his logic here in this thread</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274788</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274788</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[zbrown]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:11:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:07:54 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Bigger is always better, no matter what...................</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274785</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274785</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Bookem]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:07:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:18:44 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">wow, what a dumbass, increase of course</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274781</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274781</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Grr]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:18:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:15:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Based on the question, I say increase it</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274766</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274766</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[TsiTom]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:15:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:11:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Some people need to learn how to read..... Wow.....</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274753</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274753</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:11:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:16:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">zbrown;286315 wrote:<br />
obviously i know that other changes would be more beneficial....  This was strictly a philosophical question of <strong>if you could only change the turbine housing ar; nothing else</strong>.</p>
<p dir="auto">Which change by either going bigger or smaller would help with the problem</p>
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<p dir="auto">bigger</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274715</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274715</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SPANISH-RICE]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:16:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:57:30 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">+1 on a properly suited waste gate,and if need be run two or more.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274714</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274714</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[funky_monkey58]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:57:30 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:57:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">PSI2HI;286299 wrote:<br />
Where's the neither option?  Both have decreasing benefits in their perspective applications.</p>
<p dir="auto">Smaller AR creating backpressure it going to kill poweroutput/powerband and lower the effiency, thus creating heat, and large AR is is also going to  midrange poweroutput/spool.</p>
<p dir="auto">I vote C.  Make the wastegate work correctly in its current application.</p>
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<p dir="auto">SPANISH-RICE;286302 wrote:<br />
for a lack of better words i agree with this. Get a properly matched waste gate and solve boost creep with that. If you're having issues with boost creep instead of swapping housings get a bigger waste gate/dump tube that can flow enough.</p>
<p dir="auto">I think argument a is very incorrect tho. Increasing back pressure before the turbo isn't making the waste gate more efficient its just making it work harder and have to flow more.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Obviously i know that other changes would be more beneficial....  This was strictly a philosophical question of <strong>if you could only change the turbine housing AR; NOTHING else</strong>.</p>
<p dir="auto">which change by either going bigger or smaller would help with the problem</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274713</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274713</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[zbrown]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:57:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:37:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">If I had to choose, it would be to increase the Ar. But I do agree with Tufte. Making extra backpreesure at the turbo is &lt;u&gt;<strong>never</strong>&lt;/u&gt; good for efficiency and of course the turbo itself.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274711</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274711</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[weshole]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:37:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:54:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">psi2hi;286299 wrote:<br />
where's the neither option?  Both have decreasing benefits in their perspective applications.</p>
<p dir="auto">Smaller ar creating backpressure it going to kill poweroutput/powerband and lower the effiency, thus creating heat, and large ar is is also going to  midrange poweroutput/spool.</p>
<p dir="auto">I vote c.  Make the wastegate work correctly in its current application.</p>
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<p dir="auto">for a lack of better words i agree with this. Get a properly matched waste gate and solve boost creep with that. If you're having issues with boost creep instead of swapping housings get a bigger waste gate/dump tube that can flow enough.</p>
<p dir="auto">I think argument a is very incorrect tho. Increasing back pressure before the turbo isn't making the waste gate more efficient its just making it work harder and have to flow more.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274700</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274700</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SPANISH-RICE]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:54:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:38:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Where's the neither option?  Both have decreasing benefits in their perspective applications.</p>
<p dir="auto">Smaller AR creating backpressure it going to kill poweroutput/powerband and lower the effiency, thus creating heat, and large AR is is also going to  midrange poweroutput/spool.</p>
<p dir="auto">I vote C.  Make the wastegate work correctly in its current application.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274697</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274697</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[PSI2HI]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:38:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:19:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">increase in AR.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274693</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274693</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[integra_gsr98]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:19:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:49:15 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">My experience....   I have 11 psi wastegates.  With a 1.08 a/r I could run as low as ~17 psi.  I changed to a 1.39 a/r and now I can run as low as 15 psi.  So, I would say the larger a/r helps with boost creep.</p>
]]></description><link>https://fargostreet.com/post/274691</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fargostreet.com/post/274691</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[DaveH]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:49:15 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to boost creep vs turbine housing AR on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:25:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">hmmmm interesting argument. I'm leaning more towards B. Both sides have good points though.</p>
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