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U.N. ambassadors from several nations are disputing assertions by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry that he met for hours with all members of the U.N. Security Council just a week before voting in October 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq.
An investigation by The Washington Times reveals that while the candidate did talk for an unspecified period to at least a few members of the panel, no such meeting, as described by Mr. Kerry on a number of occasions over the past year, ever occurred.
At the second presidential debate earlier this month, Mr. Kerry said he was more attuned to international concerns on Iraq than President Bush, citing his meeting with the entire Security Council.
"This president hasn't listened. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them, to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable," Mr. Kerry said of the Iraqi dictator.
Speaking before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in December 2003, Mr. Kerry explained that he understood the "real readiness" of the United Nations to "take this seriously" because he met "with the entire Security Council, and we spent a couple of hours talking about what they saw as the path to a united front in order to be able to deal with Saddam Hussein."
But of the five ambassadors on the Security Council in 2002 who were reached directly for comment, four said they had never met Mr. Kerry. The four also said that no one who worked for their countries' U.N. missions had met with Mr. Kerry either.
The former ambassadors who said on the record they had never met Mr. Kerry included the representatives of Mexico, Colombia and Bulgaria. The ambassador of a fourth country gave a similar account on the condition that his country not be identified.
Ambassador Andres Franco, the permanent deputy representative from Colombia during its Security Council membership from 2001 to 2002, said, "I never heard of anything."
Although Mr. Franco was quick to note that Mr. Kerry could have met some members of the panel, he also said that "everything can be heard in the corridors."
Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, Mexico's then-ambassador to the United Nations, said: "There was no meeting with John Kerry before Resolution 1441, or at least not in my memory."
All had vivid recollections of the time frame when Mr. Kerry traveled to New York, as it was shortly before the Nov. 7, 2002, enactment of Resolution 1441, which said Iraq was in "material breach" of earlier disarmament resolutions and warned Baghdad of "serious consequences as a result of its continued violations."
Stefan Tafrov, Bulgaria's ambassador at the time, said he remembers the period well because it "was a very contentious time."
After conversations with ambassadors from five members of the Security Council in 2002 and calls to all the missions of the countries then on the panel, The Times was only able to confirm directly that Mr. Kerry had met with representatives of France, Singapore and Cameroon.
In addition, second-hand accounts have Mr. Kerry meeting with representatives of Britain.
When reached for comment last week, an official with the Kerry campaign stood by the candidate's previous claims that he had met with the entire Security Council.
But after being told late yesterday of the results of The Times investigation, the Kerry campaign issued a statement that read in part, "It was a closed meeting and a private discussion."
A Kerry aide refused to identify who participated in the meeting.
The statement did not repeat Mr. Kerry's claims of a lengthy meeting with the entire 15-member Security Council, instead saying the candidate "met with a group of representatives of countries sitting on the Security Council."
Asked whether the international body had any records of Mr. Kerry sitting down with the whole council, a U.N. spokesman said that "our office does not have any record of this meeting."
A U.S. official with intimate knowledge of the Security Council's actions in fall of 2002 said that he was not aware of any meeting Mr. Kerry had with members of the panel.
An official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations remarked: "We were as surprised as anyone when Kerry started talking about a meeting with the Security Council."
Jean-David Levitte, then France's chief U.N. representative and now his country's ambassador to the United States, said through a spokeswoman that Mr. Kerry did not have a single group meeting as the senator has described, but rather several one-on-one or small-group encounters.
He added that Mr. Kerry did not meet with every member of the Security Council, only "some" of them. Mr. Levitte could only name himself and Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock of Britain as the Security Council members with whom Mr. Kerry had met.
One diplomat who met with Mr. Kerry in 2002 said on the condition of anonymity that the candidate talked to "a few" ambassadors on the Security Council.
The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes — honesty.
At a New Mexico rally last month, Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush will "do anything he can to cover up the truth." At what campaign aides billed as a major foreign-policy address, Mr. Kerry said at New York University last month that "the first and most fundamental mistake was the president's failure to tell the truth to the American people."
In recent months, Mr. Kerry has faced numerous charges of dishonesty from Vietnam veterans over his war record, and his campaign has backtracked before from previous statements about Mr. Kerry's foreign diplomacy.
For example, in March, Mr. Kerry told reporters in Florida that he'd met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him.
"I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly," he said. "But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' "
But the senator refused to document his claim and a review by The Times showed that Mr. Kerry had made no official foreign trips since the start of 2002, according to Senate records and his own published schedules. An extensive review of Mr. Kerry's domestic travel schedule revealed only one opportunity for him to have met foreign leaders here.
After a week of bad press, Kerry foreign-policy adviser Rand Beers said the candidate "does not seek, and will not accept, any such endorsements."
The Democrat has also made his own veracity a centerpiece of his campaign, calling truthfulness "the fundamental test of leadership."
Mr. Kerry closed the final debate by recounting what his mother told him from her hospital bed, "Remember: integrity, integrity, integrity."
In an interview published in the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Mr. Kerry was asked what he would want people to remember about his presidency. He responded, "That it always told the truth to the American people."

Fictional accounts do not make a statesman. This is unfortunately a rather consistent scenario with Mr. Kerry, and many of the stronger points he supposedly made during the debates have been refuted, namely this one, the claim that a General had been fired because of dissent, and the claim that Bush had outsourced and otherwise neglected the search for OBL (according to Tommy Franks).

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041025-020600-3030r.htm

I wonder if Edwards will be too busy combing his hair to help Kerry pull his foot outa his mouth on this one

]]>https://fargostreet.com/topic/679/kerry-lies-againRSS for NodeThu, 28 May 2026 19:45:23 GMTMon, 25 Oct 2004 21:06:36 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:43:25 GMT]]>Well said, I am sure there is alot that the american public does not know and the public believes everything they read or see on tv. Kind of pathetic how the media distorts things.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10218https://fargostreet.com/post/10218Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:43:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:34:57 GMT]]>The simple fact is that we actually know very little about what is really going on. Can you imagine all the intelligence reports the American people never find out about? And don't think that it is onyl this presidency, that'd be silly.

Frankly, it's better off we don't know all the details, we'd all be a lot more scared then we are now

Now I'm gonna go cut my own head off for actually replying to you hijackers, you're no better than the taliban!!

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10216https://fargostreet.com/post/10216Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:34:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:03:24 GMT]]>See, I can live with a bad choice, IF the person who made that choice can own up to it.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10212https://fargostreet.com/post/10212Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:03:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:53:49 GMT]]>I don't know the reasoning, but my guess would be that it was a decision made by the military. I'd venture to guess that the area where he was supposed to be hiding was much better known to the local forces... but thats just a guess. It's easy to say now that it was a bad decision, and it may have been. I'd like to think that I would have rolled in a nice division of bombers and carpet bombed the whole area where he was supected to be. 😛

Anyway, this thread was about lies and I just threw this up as a example. Either he lied about it or didn't know what he was talking about. Same thing is done on both sides I suppose. This thread is about Kerry's lies. 🙂

[QUOTE=tjamz]in with which forces? The taliban or the forces that tried to take out Bin Laden? Probably both. In either case we still should not have let the Afghan forces be the ones to try and capture Bin Laden. Why did we trust the Afghan forces to do this anyway? The Taliban/Al-Qaeda were the ones responsible for 9-11 and we decided to let someone else play out the potential end game. Regardless of if we had imbedded forces in there we should have had more control over what was done, IMO. Maybe we would have missed him too, but at least we could say we tried all we could. QUOTE]

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RX8ownage wrote:
Oh i didn't know she wasnt the natural born daughter of the Heinz guy, but what did she do when she got married.

i didnt hear about the whole rob paige calling a teacher organization a terrorist organization...how stupid is that

So she can just make it all up and say" woah my bad, teachers are a real job" was that after everybody kinda opened their eyes and Mrs Heinz took it a lil to far?

she's not. She married into the heinz family but her husband died in the early 90's

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PSI2HI wrote:
Bush it outsourcing all of our American jobs and has destroy'd the American economy, what do you got to say about that? Outsourcing 260 million jobs to India!!

Our american companies decided to outsource jobs, not Bush. I doubt he could stop it. Plus, I don't think we even have 260 million jobs in america to outsource.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10197https://fargostreet.com/post/10197Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:34:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:32:09 GMT]]>hehe...I know that many threads get hijacked, I'm no newbie to online message boards. But this one was just rediculous! Usually ATLEAST 10% of the responses are to the original post!

🙂

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10176https://fargostreet.com/post/10176Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:32:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:51:39 GMT]]>Your right id piss away millions to make people happy... the american people. Because I know those jobs and that money would be helping the country I love the most. The United States is the greatest country in the world... even if it isnt run right most of the time. It still kicks major ass!

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RX8ownage wrote:
damn. im not voting democommunist....ever!!
Never said you were...just conceding defeat...now don't flip flop on me here. We saw you post it....:D

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10139https://fargostreet.com/post/10139Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:48:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:47:41 GMT]]>Oh, and as for thread hijacking, I at least tried to address the original post in one of my previous posts. But yeah, threads get hijacked here all the time. It doesn't hurt that threads that get hijacked and taken to the left side of the political scale are probably more tolerated due to Jim and Tuftes position on the current election....Good thing I'm not a republican, I'd probably be banned by now if I wasn't. LOL

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Flowcus wrote:
In all honesty I wouldnt move my company over seas to pay cheaper labor fees and save me money. I know I would make millions more, but I would also feel guilty for knowing the amount of jobs im taking with me and the amount of money im taking away from the economy. I guess I get that from not being born with a silver spoon in my ass.

I have paid for every car I have owned... I have paid for every peice of furniture every electronic I own. I can honestly say I have a computer tower not even the monitor, and a TV because of my parents. And you know what... they had the money to buy me all these things, but they wanted to teach me a life lesson. They wanted me to learn to buy my own things and work for what I have. I guess thats why right out of highschool I started working and now im working and in school... granted its on an apprenticeship, but ill be making more by the time im done then the average college graduate. And ill have had my job for 4years once im already done with class.

Kirk what do you do all day besides sit on your computer all day and read war stories? 😛

BTW kirk why in the hell are you so damned right wing?

your such a bullshitter, youd piss away millions to make people happy stfu.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10137https://fargostreet.com/post/10137Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:46:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:45:54 GMT]]>damn. im not voting democommunist....ever!!

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RX8ownage wrote:
itll all end in a week. politics talk that is. a new president will be selected and we'll all half to deal with it.
I'm glad we agree that a new president will be selected. I knew I could convince you!!!

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10135https://fargostreet.com/post/10135Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:45:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:43:51 GMT]]>good point... but damn wont the boards seem so desolate and lonely once its all over?

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10133https://fargostreet.com/post/10133Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:43:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:42:53 GMT]]>In all honesty I wouldnt move my company over seas to pay cheaper labor fees and save me money. I know I would make millions more, but I would also feel guilty for knowing the amount of jobs im taking with me and the amount of money im taking away from the economy. I guess I get that from not being born with a silver spoon in my ass.

I have paid for every car I have owned... I have paid for every peice of furniture every electronic I own. I can honestly say I have a computer tower not even the monitor, and a TV because of my parents. And you know what... they had the money to buy me all these things, but they wanted to teach me a life lesson. They wanted me to learn to buy my own things and work for what I have. I guess thats why right out of highschool I started working and now im working and in school... granted its on an apprenticeship, but ill be making more by the time im done then the average college graduate. And ill have had my job for 4years once im already done with class.

Kirk what do you do all day besides sit on your computer all day and read war stories? 😛

BTW kirk why in the hell are you so damned right wing?

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10132https://fargostreet.com/post/10132Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:42:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:40:24 GMT]]>itll all end in a week. politics talk that is. a new president will be selected and we'll all half to deal with it.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10130https://fargostreet.com/post/10130Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:40:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:37:38 GMT]]>Thread hijacking is something your going to have to deal with... its a way of life on any forums you join. Doesnt matter where you go its always going to be there.

And with me and kirk around its probably never going to quit. I would think you would know this by now but somethings obviously have to be pointed out.

Not trying to be a dick and I appologize for jacking your thread, but im not about to waste jims space to start a new thread just to get my point across when I can just as easily keep it in a thread thats already a political topic. Just get used to being jacked... you could start a thread about Threads getting Hijacked and im sure someone would find a way to hijack it... expecially kirk. 😄

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Flowcus wrote:
You along with drake are both idiots... I didnt find the time to read through all the posts, but honestly you think this is a good thing? Not quite! Good for the company... yes. But this being good for a company isnt good for the economy. Just because a company is saving millions upon millions of dollars a year paying some poor bastard in india such a feeble amount of money to sit in a fucking shop for 12-14hrs a day and come home with enough money for a loaf of bread and a couple cups of milk for his family, doesnt mean they are putting that money back into our economy.

All you right wing sons of bitches care about is how much more money you are going to make a year. How much more your bank account is going to grow each year. Fuck that im all about helping out the ones that struggle pay check to pay check to help their family and give them what they need. All those companies are doing is taking their millions in savings and dumping it right back into more factories around the world to make and save even more money. Hell half the time the money isnt even deposited in american banks.

I remember reading an article that said we are 3+ trillion dollars in debt but there is only 666billion american dollars in circulation around the world. This is actual paper money not some electronic funds or some imaginary number in some banks computers. So yeah Vote bush keep the fucking republicans in office... allow them to keep jobs from the american people and move their companies over seas. Allow the right wings to further the damage already done to our economy. What do they care... their pockets will always be lined. I dont know a single fucking republican that knows what an over draft is... and no its not because they know how to save their money its because they dont care who's toes they step on to get to the top of the stairs... their going to get there no matter what it takes.
well maybe you should cause i later on said its good for the company and bad for the economy and the people. if you were the head hauncho of a major corp. ud do the same. btw, im not gonna read it all, you are the one that said Iraq and the Taliban went to war

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10127https://fargostreet.com/post/10127Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:37:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:34:40 GMT]]>in with which forces? The taliban or the forces that tried to take out Bin Laden? Probably both. In either case we still should not have let the Afghan forces be the ones to try and capture Bin Laden. Why did we trust the Afghan forces to do this anyway? The Taliban/Al-Qaeda were the ones responsible for 9-11 and we decided to let someone else play out the potential end game. Regardless of if we had imbedded forces in there we should have had more control over what was done, IMO. Maybe we would have missed him too, but at least we could say we tried all we could. Why, I ask, did we divert away from Bin Laden to attack Iraq? Especially w/o capturing/killing Bin Laden. In my opinion we are doing exactly as the Al-Qaeda wanted...they knew (or at least suspected) that we were eager to go to war w/ Iraq and by attacking the US they knew it would get us into war mode...noone messes with america, right? Well, once in war mode, we might as well take out our old nemesis Saddam Hussein....spreading our forces thin in the process, fighting 2 wars on 2 fronts w/ little support from the rest of the world. As soon as we had Saddam out of power it gave them a great opportunity to come into Iraq and spread their terror by capturing/killing "innocent" civilians and/or contractors. This would of course infuriate the US and cause us to spend EXTREME amounts of money to try and bring key individuals to justice....all the while deepening the debt that the US government was accruing. At this rate we will essentially be bankrupt as a nation in matter of years, we will have exhausted our borrowing ability from our allies, leaving us with a huge debt and effectively bent over the barrel when it comes to returning favors....thereby weakening the United States and making us not seem like such a Superpower/Saviour to the world. Bush has too much of a "cowboy" go it alone attitude. He's too damn stubborn (stupid?) to admit a mistake has EVER been made, and too damn determined to change his ways. I'll admit Kerry has made mistakes, he, for the most part, will own up to them, that is a sign of courage IMHO. To admit when you are wrong is a trait we should all have.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10124https://fargostreet.com/post/10124Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:34:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:33:54 GMT]]>Thanks Dave, and Jim can we please cut the balls off all future thread hijackers !

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10123https://fargostreet.com/post/10123Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:33:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:33:53 GMT]]>But it still benefits us. Keeps the prices of the products low; plus some of these 3rd world countries depend on that for a living. There was a 20/20 on it that all the people who opposed it didn't understand it's real importance.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10122https://fargostreet.com/post/10122Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:33:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:16:49 GMT]]>

RX8ownage wrote:
Cheap labor is hard to find. why not find a person in India that'll work for like 1 dollar an hour opposed to a person in america that'll work for 7 an hour making tennis shoes.

You along with drake are both idiots... I didnt find the time to read through all the posts, but honestly you think this is a good thing? Not quite! Good for the company... yes. But this being good for a company isnt good for the economy. Just because a company is saving millions upon millions of dollars a year paying some poor bastard in india such a feeble amount of money to sit in a fucking shop for 12-14hrs a day and come home with enough money for a loaf of bread and a couple cups of milk for his family, doesnt mean they are putting that money back into our economy.

All you right wing sons of bitches care about is how much more money you are going to make a year. How much more your bank account is going to grow each year. Fuck that im all about helping out the ones that struggle pay check to pay check to help their family and give them what they need. All those companies are doing is taking their millions in savings and dumping it right back into more factories around the world to make and save even more money. Hell half the time the money isnt even deposited in american banks.

I remember reading an article that said we are 3+ trillion dollars in debt but there is only 666billion american dollars in circulation around the world. This is actual paper money not some electronic funds or some imaginary number in some banks computers. So yeah Vote bush keep the fucking republicans in office... allow them to keep jobs from the american people and move their companies over seas. Allow the right wings to further the damage already done to our economy. What do they care... their pockets will always be lined. I dont know a single fucking republican that knows what an over draft is... and no its not because they know how to save their money its because they dont care who's toes they step on to get to the top of the stairs... their going to get there no matter what it takes.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10116https://fargostreet.com/post/10116Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:16:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:08:33 GMT]]>I'll try to pull n20's thread back onto topic...

Kerry repeated several times in each debate about how we let Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora by outsourcing the job of capturing him to local warlord forces. Now it turns out that we had imbedded troops in those forces. whoops! 😛 If he knew we had imbedded troops, then he was basically telling a lie. If he didn't know, then I guess he just didn't know what he was talking about.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/10115https://fargostreet.com/post/10115Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:08:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Kerry lies again! on Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:20:49 GMT]]>I agree...Ed is farther left than I am...I'm either a liberal republican or a conservative democrat...

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