Performance Enthusiest Lack In ND
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96Talon wrote:
IDk im sure this will sound dumb but.... Is it just me or is it the older people keeping to themselves and the younger teenagers keeping to themselves. I think if things got mixed up and the older people were more excepting of the younger generation coming in things would be a lot better. We are the ones that are going to keep the scene going..... Let me know if im wrong because i know i am kind of intimidated to just go up and start talking to the older guys. I know it might sounds stupid let me know!We aren't going to bite if you come and talk to us! Just make sure you listen to what most of us have to say. Don't have an "I know everything attitude" when you talk to us because we will just pass you off. The reason the "older" guys in the scene keep to themselves is because of the ricers. I can personally tell you I don't like to go out as much anymore because nothing ever happens except for ricers being stupid. I know when I was part of the "younger" crowd, I asked questions and listened to the answers from the "older" crowd. I can honestly trace my interest back to about 3 people. Sometimes I just tagged a long, and maybe I wasn't welcome but I learned a lot and sparked my interest in the right way.
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BumpinJCC wrote:
with paying for college, school books, rent, gas, insurance, food, ect. I hardly have enough money to buy things for my car anymore. I want that to change though...If you offered a cheap turbo kit id be REALLY interested:icon_bounce:
I go to school. I have bills. You just work hard for your parts. It's SO worth it.
We do have a cheap turbo kit, it's a D-series Mini-log kit for $650. C'mon thats not even expensive!
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96Talon: I'm pretty sure if you came up and talked to the "old timers" you would find that they are very approachable. Especially guys like Matt & Dave. Dave has offered more advice to me than any other person in this area and (if he's not busy) always seems to be willing to take a ride in my car with me to give me pointers on what I can do better to tune my vehicle or get a better run in. IOW if we seem intimidating, it is not intended that way. Come up, say hi, tell us who you are, what you drive, etc... Think of it this way, its way easier for us to break the ice talking with DaveH than it is for him to do the same with us. Why? Because everyone knows who he is, what he drives, etc.... What does he know about you? Nothing until you introduce yourselves.
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im working on making my car as quick as it can be with what i can afford. that usually involves used parts and making due with what I can get. a grand or two here and there for turbo kits and custom installs is hard to come by for alot of people, ya know
alot of the time, when i go hang out with some ppls with imports around here and even from this forum, I feel out of place because alot of them are younger kids with flashy cars and big egos when im an older guy (25 haha) and my car looks pretty much stock, when in reality, I've done quite alot of work on it since I got it and it's quite a bit quicker than alot of thier hondas and such. But since I don't have any racing seats or gauge pods or fancy air fresheners I guess I don't count. Just seems to me that is the attitude around here as of late. -
Ya that makes a lot of sence! I know i have tried to get know some people at the T-masters in Grand Forks. Idk you get some that are kool and will help with ya anything you need but you still have those that are going to be ass holes... I think its those guys who are the one that detur us from trying to meet new people... But ya i agree with you 100%..
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86fc3s wrote:
im working on making my car as quick as it can be with what i can afford. that usually involves used parts and making due with what I can get. a grand or two here and there for turbo kits and custom installs is hard to come by for alot of people, ya know alot of the time, when i go hang out with some ppls with imports around here and even from this forum, I feel out of place because alot of them are younger kids with flashy cars and big egos when im an older guy (25 haha) and my car looks pretty much stock, when in reality, I've done quite alot of work on it since I got it and it's quite a bit quicker than alot of thier hondas and such. But since I don't have any racing seats or gauge pods or fancy air fresheners I guess I don't count. Just seems to me that is the attitude around here as of late.Yup, thats part of the problem. Body kits and ricer parts rule now. Partly because the people with money into their motor don't show up because they got fed up with the ricers. So when one does show up that dones't know everyone or no one knows them, then they get kinda played off. When in reality, power rules the streets, not that gay ebay body kit or ricer interior. What's cool in this town is just so off base. I think one night all of the "older" supporters of the scene need to go out and school everyone. Maybe if they see us with performance parts, they will get an interest. Then again maybe not. I think they think we are too cocky for them, but in reality, it's their attitude that makes us maybe look that way. Of course we aren't going to take you seriously when you rice around like a lot of people do.
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86fc3s wrote:
im working on making my car as quick as it can be with what i can afford. that usually involves used parts and making due with what I can get. a grand or two here and there for turbo kits and custom installs is hard to come by for alot of people, ya know alot of the time, when i go hang out with some ppls with imports around here and even from this forum, I feel out of place because alot of them are younger kids with flashy cars and big egos when im an older guy (25 haha) and my car looks pretty much stock, when in reality, I've done quite alot of work on it since I got it and it's quite a bit quicker than alot of thier hondas and such. But since I don't have any racing seats or gauge pods or fancy air fresheners I guess I don't count. Just seems to me that is the attitude around here as of late.
Agreed... Its just some of the people not all of them! Its like they look down on you because your car isnt as "good" as theres! -
I'm going out on a ledge here, but I think a LOT of the reason the scene is dying is because of the shit talking that goes on between <u>ALL</u> of the shops in town. People are hesitant to buy from Tintmasters if they have friends at SLS or vice-versa. I know that Shane & Nick hate each other (no secret) but that doesn't mean that both are capable shop owners. Is one better at some things than the other? ABSOLUTELY! But IMO the better shop (whichever it may be) shouldn't belittle the other because of it, they should just work on making themselves better. How about a joint event between the two shops? Something that both promote equally. That would speak volumes to the level of commitment that each shop has to the community. Here is how I'd envision it:
2 day event:
Day 1:
Outdoor Car Show (Show & Shine) presented by Tintmasters
Dyno Tuning sponsored by SLS
Auto-X Sponsored by TintmastersDay 2
Show & Shine continues (TM)
Burnout Contest by SLS
Dragrace Test & Tune TM
Quick 8 Bracket Showdown by TM & SLS -
tjamz wrote:
I'm going out on a ledge here, but I think a LOT of the reason the scene is dying is because of the shit talking that goes on between <u>ALL</u> of the shops in town. People are hesitant to buy from Tintmasters if they have friends at SLS or vice-versa. I know that Shane & Nick hate each other (no secret) but that doesn't mean that both are capable shop owners. Is one better at some things than the other? ABSOLUTELY! But IMO the better shop (whichever it may be) shouldn't belittle the other because of it, they should just work on making themselves better. How about a joint event between the two shops? Something that both promote equally. That would speak volumes to the level of commitment that each shop has to the community. Here is how I'd envision it:2 day event:
Day 1:
Outdoor Car Show (Show & Shine) presented by Tintmasters
Dyno Tuning sponsored by SLS
Auto-X Sponsored by TintmastersDay 2
Show & Shine continues (TM)
Burnout Contest by SLS
Dragrace Test & Tune TM
Quick 8 Bracket Showdown by TM & SLS
Good thinking Chuck. -
id show up for that.
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Well the problem with the Dyno thing is no one ever comes through. Every always gets hyped up for it and starts planning for it. The day comes and 2 or 3 imports show up and the rest are domestics. We trailed a car over 3 hours to dyno tune yesterday and it sucks, but a dyno would NEVER survive in Fargo. There are atleast 5 different import shops in Minneapolis that have a Dyno, wouldn't you think that Fargo could atleast support ONE? I don't see it happen in the near future.
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id be out every street legal day but im in the process off building my car, work and working on it takes up majority off time. i probably wont have my car racing at the next event but u never know, thing may go faster then planned. however i mighnt be racing another car on those days u never know. ive had a blast when i raced out there. but ill be attending for sure as always
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tjamz wrote:
I'm going out on a ledge here, but I think a LOT of the reason the scene is dying is because of the shit talking that goes on between <u>ALL</u> of the shops in town. People are hesitant to buy from Tintmasters if they have friends at SLS or vice-versa. I know that Shane & Nick hate each other (no secret) but that doesn't mean that both are capable shop owners. Is one better at some things than the other? ABSOLUTELY! But IMO the better shop (whichever it may be) shouldn't belittle the other because of it, they should just work on making themselves better. How about a joint event between the two shops? Something that both promote equally. That would speak volumes to the level of commitment that each shop has to the community. Here is how I'd envision it:2 day event:
Day 1:
Outdoor Car Show (Show & Shine) presented by Tintmasters
Dyno Tuning sponsored by SLS
Auto-X Sponsored by TintmastersDay 2
Show & Shine continues (TM)
Burnout Contest by SLS
Dragrace Test & Tune TM
Quick 8 Bracket Showdown by TM & SLSPeople still gotta show up. If they dont race now, whats gonna make them race then? Problem is half the people have your mentality where they've raced once they know what their car will run so they dont ever bother to show up again, or they say my cars slow why bother race it. Its like like an sport for say golf, do you go to a golf course golf it once or twice and never go back because you know what your score is on that course?
The problem isn't a lack of support from the shops or the older crowd, thats just a piss poor excuse. Sorry but im gonna be blatently honest on this whole topic of how i see things as i've been in the scene around here since day 1 and i know how it used to be, and how it hasn't progressed. Year after year we go to the track to see no competition, basically we wanna watch someone else put up some #'s for a chance, give us a show. Problem is there's such a gray area in the scene. You got the guys who are hard into running the times and putting up the big numbers, then you got the majority of the crowd who doesn't care to progress and are running 14's and slower which is fine because @ least their showing up and supporting the cause. There's really no middle area here you got the cars 11's and faster and 14 and slower which i find very odd there's no middle area 12 and 13 second cars around here.
Shop competition PINKS battle, lets do this!!
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People saying they would show up for an event doesn't mean a whole lot unless you can actually participate. I realize not everyone is going to participate every time, but this is what happens. People just "attend" more than participate. I shouldn't be one to talk this year, but I started over on a project this year. Bottomline, to make anything work, we need participants over spectators. Spectators will come naturally as more people participate. Tell your families about drags, car shows, auto-x events. Get them to come out and support the scene. They have the loudest voice in the community at this time, so if we get them involved they will tell their friends about what their kid is doing and say its positive etc and maybe change the outlook of the community a little bit as well? We don't need spectators inside the scene, we need participants inside the scene and spectators OUTSIDE the scene.
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The car scene down here in the cities is alive and kicking this summer, I done saw it with my own eyes.
What I see as the reason the car scene in fargo blows so much is that everyone has this mentality that they have to take their car to a shop to have work done on it. Thats everyones answer to a problem or question about a certain setup. Talk to tufte or talk to tintmasters. Having someone do all your work gets expensive and therefore you cannot buy as many parts.
Don't get me wrong, I think that there are places for speed shops and certain people need a speed shop, but I for one am sick of everyone always saying that you should take your car to a certain shop to get work done on it or have performance parts put on. I would be willing to bet that both tintmasters and SLS would get a lot more business if they catered more towards the domestic cars. This means not only learning about them but acting more resonsibly as well. I have been to both tintmasters and SLS and honestly have not been impressed. I certainly would not take my car there to have any work done. For example, I asked someone at SLS for pricing on drag radials in a certain size for my mustang. I never ever heard back from him. Another example, I asked for pricing on clutches at Tintmasters and all they had were some expensive ass clutch kits that were over 1k. I certainly would have bought drag radials or a clutch from someone in Fargo had they given me a good price and not just blown me off.
Sorry to get a little off track there, but thats what I see as the problem with the car scene in Fargo. Everything is too shop oriented and those shops cater towards import cars.
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haha ill bet my dads been to more drags, car shows, ect then most people. LOL. and he talks to his friends about going to them and stuff. and my car has been in a shop of anykind around here twice. ill try it my self before paying someone to do it 99%of the time
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this has been beaten to death with a stick. we have no place to go that doesn't include a 5 mile drive outside of the metro area that won't get us kicked out for chillin there, i'd say that dampens things in terms of meets, challenges, communicating etc. lets be real, this site by far is our only means of stayin in touch with eachother. We have absolutely no place to go on weekend nights at set times etc. Sure fargo's small enough to go from one part of town to another to meet up in a matter of 15 minutes, but thats not really the point.
and i also agree with chuck, just because not everyone drops everything to go race at the drag strip doesn't mean the scene is depreciating. Who knows, maybe everyone's gotten bored of it and wants to try somethin else. I participated in the auto-x even at the dome last year and i can't remember off the top of my head but i know there was A LOT of different kinds of cars there that you normally don't see at drag strip days. I haven't been up to grand forks either to see what the turn out has been so who knows. But every track day theres always a few people from all over the area that come so let's not say it's a dead pulse cause theres been a few dead days so far. I dont know how much advertising wise tintmasters does other then viewing it on their own forum for track days, but I know they dont do it on here anymore and lets face it, this board is WAY busier then theirs. I dont know if theyve tried TV ads, newspaper ads, flyers at auto shops but maybe that'll help to tell people whats goin on/when cause I-drags's site is ghetto as fuck and sucks ass.
but tonights supposed to be alright i guess, anyone goin out to meet/cruise?
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Well, we don't even just do imports. Go look at what's in the shop right now. Now are domestics our main customer base? Not at all. It would be hard to just all of sudden cater to domestics. I do agree that domestic guys usually go bigger because they are a little older crowd with more money to play with. For example, the badass cars I saw at DB Performance yesterday. It wasn't just one either. At this point, it's both sides of the scene that need help in Fargo. Business isn't horrible because people from all over the nation seem to order parts a lot more often.
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