Performance Enthusiest Lack In ND
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The reason i haven't been to the track the last 2 years is cuz i was building my car last year and then sold it before i finished and now i have a new project that is nowhere near done. I may still run it tho towards the end of the year. I also can't make it out their because i work saturdays, and basically all other days to pay for my car stuff. I know this is everyone elses excuse too but that is why from me.....
Anyways, about the scene dying....i would have to say that it is because no one gets together and hangs out....i go to the cities and meet new ppl on Uni and they are cool and give advice and help eachother out....but when im in fargo i barely ever find anyone to stop and talk to. PPL are naturally competitive so if you meet someone and there car is tight you wanna keep up so you will do more to get your car up to there level.
Basically i think ppl need to have get togethers and be more open to new ppl stopping in and meeting eachother. Maybe something like more show and shines so ppl can learn from others. Just my $.02.
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O.K. fuckers you asked for it. Here's the real reason that the scene is going down hill in the area as (I personally) see it. Lets see here there's how many performance/car related shops in town? 5?...7? including some newer start-up places. Of these places, there's next to noone that likes the guys from the (other) shops in town. And some of them literally HATE each other and would just as soon shoot the other guy as look at them. (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) and that is where the real problem lies. The only way to get the scene going again is to do it COLLECTIVELY!!!!! No one shop is gonna do it alone I'll guarantee it. So, if you really want to do something positive for the scene.... Then put all your petty differences asside and get something going together. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: .
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inspector01 wrote:
Anyways, about the scene dying....i would have to say that it is because no one gets together and hangs out....i go to the cities and meet new ppl on Uni and they are cool and give advice and help eachother out....but when im in fargo i barely ever find anyone to stop and talk to. PPL are naturally competitive so if you meet someone and there car is tight you wanna keep up so you will do more to get your car up to there level.Basically i think ppl need to have get togethers and be more open to new ppl stopping in and meeting eachother. Maybe something like more show and shines so ppl can learn from others. Just my $.02.
I will go and talk to whatever business you guys think would be a good spot to meet. When I worked at Hornbacher's on 13th I know we coulda hung out there but NO ONE ever said anything to me about it. I kept suggesting it. That would have been a PERFECT spot. Big parking lot, right on 13th, etc. Everyone says oh we need a meeting spot, but whenever I saw I am going to do something about it everyone shuts up. Honestly, lets here some damn feedback on where you guys think would be a good spot. I will go talk to them. Enough of this "I wish" shit, lets fucking do something about it.
Edit: I just hate how people always talk about how cool it would be to do this or that, but when people actually put up and plan something, hardly anyone is anywhere to be found.
Maybe I'm biased, but I really don't think its on the shops back to get the scene going. It's up to US, as in you, everyone. Quit putting it on other people or waiting for someone else to fix it. BE A LEADER YOURSELF. That's the only way it's going to get done in this town. We can put it on who ever we want, but until YOU do something about it, it's not going to change. Everyone shifts the blame around, but lets face it, it doesn't matter whose fault it really is. We are all at fault and it's our job to fix it together because we do one thing, something is wrong. So quit trying to figure out whose fault it is, when we could be using that energy and brain power to figure out how to change what is going on in this town.
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weshole wrote:
O.K. fuckers you asked for it. Here's the real reason that the scene is going down hill in the area as (I personally) see it. Lets see here there's how many performance/car related shops in town? 5?...7? including some newer start-up places. Of these places, there's next to noone that likes the guys from the (other) shops in town. And some of them literally HATE each other and would just as soon shoot the other guy as look at them. (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) and that is where the real problem lies. The only way to get the scene going again is to do it COLLECTIVELY!!!!! No one shop is gonna do it alone I'll guarantee it. So, if you really want to do something positive for the scene.... Then put all your petty differences asside and get something going together. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: .AMEN BROTHA WESHOLE!!!
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In response to your most recent post Tony, I am not placing blame on anyone. I'm just offering a solution. If the powers that be (local shops) can set aside their differences and combine their efforts along with some of us locals, the scene can improve. But the shops themselves need to be willing to be as proactive as the people that frequent them. IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE!! They have alot better chance at getting results than if someone like you or I try the same thing.
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Someone mentioned about how the idrag events are almost never posted on this forum at all, and only on the TM forum, well.. I for one notice that no one really posts up their times, like as if the people who went are embarassed, or.. even to say they went.. To me, it makes it look like almost no 1 even went.. There was a recent event that I didnt even know about that I could of probably attended... But these forums don't seem to be as active as they used to about posting up that info, and before/after info, like who's going, than once it's over what they ran, etc. etc. I think that'll perp interest, since it'll show that people are still quite active into it.. I used to cruise a lot last year, but since a lot of the hang-out spots this year seem to be diminished and any larger groups will quickly get kicked out. Doesn't help w/ the price of gas near $3, and for us who need premium a lil over $3, if not barely barely under. One thing about how UNI in the Cities is more helpful is they tend to hang out in certain groups per area, for example; Firestone = Subie lot, so you got more information at hand.. Porky's is the V8/Muscle cars, Wendys was the SRT4 area, and than others were ricer-meet ups from what I noticed. But each group didn't seem to reject you and kindly accepted you. But it was a major hang out area...
I think the larger groups of cruisers who stop somewhat frequently and stop for longer than brief periods may get more attention to attract more people who may want to cruise.. Just my thoughts..
Does anyone remember that huge cruise night when GF ppl came down, Wow! it was like 2 lanes of cars for easily over a 1/4 mile.. It was crazy!
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Good job Hando; like the idea; nice touch w/ the added iDrags event too.
On a side note, I'm up 4 some serious cruising tonight; who else will be?
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PSiedTSi wrote:
I, personally, will go around to local business' that people suggest and ask if they would be willing to let us hang out there at night if we keep everything clean and aren't idiots. I've said it before and no one really had anything to say to me. I would do this but I need COMPLETE cooperation with what ever they say, if not I will not hesitate to give the local authorities a call. You guys need to do the same. If you see someone driving like a jackass(stupid ricer shit etc), don't hesitate to call them in. Make sure they know you are part of the import crowd and are tired of the bad name you are getting because of a few bad apples. I did it once this year and I really haven't been out after that because I don't feel like just cruising. I like a hang out spot. Sure Tintmasters lets us sit out there but theres NOTHING out there. Main Avenue was cool 4 years ago before it had all that construction closed it for a year or whatever. 13th and 32nd are the new hot spots. Tell me who to go talk to and I will gladly go ask them. To get anything in this scene you have to be a leader and not a follower anymore.
i for one am sick and tired of the stupid shit some people do when we actually get a small crowed together to cruise wich is ever so often, and yes we are getting a horrible reputation not only from the cops but from normal people as well, when i got rear ended about a month ago the cop was pissed at me even tho i wasnt no ware near being at fault, he said that mabey if we wernt swerving all over the road and such all the time we wouldnt get in accidents. this cop was noware in site when i got hit and he just assumed that that is what happened. then later after the police report he came and tried to chew out everybody at advanced auto parts. its getting rediculous to the point of which i dont even want to go out and cruise because there are so many stupid people out there, now im not saying that i have never done any of this type of stuff but there is a time and a place to do it, for example i think it was 2 weeks ago when we were cruisn down 13th and this kitted blueish accord just rips the ebrake and kicks it sideways almost smoking another car, thats the type of stuff that needs to be stopped. i remeber last year alot of us would meet at the kmart on University, but if i remember right someone screwed that up too. now id be glad to help get a place for all of us to chill as long as we dont have any of this stuff happening. idk mabey some of you will dissagree but thats just my 2cents. -
Here comes my .02 Megan and I have been talking alot about this lately.
I've been into cars MY WHOLE LIFE. I grew up LOVING muscle cars. As far as cars go in this scene I've had an 89 nissan maxima with rims and a fart can, a 79 monte carlo low rider (swivel bucket seats, hydraulics, 120 spoke rims, etc...), a 95 eclipse rice rocket, and now I'm building a 95 civic hatch.
I moved away from grand forks in 2001 because the scene there is FULL of assholes (as was mentioned earlier) with shitty slow rice rockets. When I got to fargo what did I see? I saw some rice, some quick, some show, some stereo competition cars, etc but the guys with the fastest, the loudest, the best looking all had HUGE EGOS. I love the cars in the scene, but I hate the attitude that comes with the scene (ask lankordie, we had this same conversation a couple of years ago when i first joined the boards). The scene goes through phases, when I had my maxima I had dreams of a sweet body kit to go with my chrome rims and yellow headlights, next thing I knew I was stupid for having chrome rims and yellow headlights. Well, look whats back polished rims (non-rice chrome) and yellow headlights and body kits.
Now, like I said, I'm building a car at the moment, and Megan's car is in the body shop. Are we in any way helping the scene this year, nope. But at the same time I have seen more "I'm going to do this" attitudes with no results in the last year than I have in my whole life. Everyone has a project that they give up on within 2 months and then sell the half completed car. So just by sticking with the project from start to finish I feel I am still helping the scene. At the same time I've got a rice-boi neighbor that has been watching me build my hatch, he has been asking questions, he has been learning, and I feel I have been passing down my knowledge to a younger generation of car enthusiest.
Bottom line is the scene is constantly changing, I don't feel that it is dying, I feel it is at a slow point. If we want the scene to grow we NEED cruises, we need smaller egos, we need to find a good spot to hang out, the shops need to drop their petty bullshit and try to work together on things, the race days need to be promoted, the autocrosses need to be promoted, the car shows need to be promoted, etc...
I'm going to go get some famous daves now, but I'll catch up on this thread later, I've got more ranting where this came from.
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Lots of long thought out responses in this thread, I skimmed over some but figured I would add my .02.
I am pretty much in agreeance with darkelvis, the general attitude I get from the import crowd, and the sport truck crowd is, if you dont have a ride with you that meets their criteria, you are unwanted. I've tried talking to people off forums like these at shows and what not, or people with rides I like, and it seems like as far as the imports go, I own trucks and classics, so its some kind of burden to the owners if I take a interest in their import car.
As far as sport trucks go in ND, its the same deal. Doesnt matter if some of the guys I have talked to on the internet about my bagging project on my 90 Chevy, they have too big of ego to talk to me face to face.
Now you may rag on hot rodders and guys into muscle cars, you know, the mainstream auto areas in ND, but you wont get that attitude 95% of the time from them.
Now honestly I could care less if I fit in with the "scenes". If I want to build a car or truck, Ill do it, Im not doing it to impress anyone or make friends. But I will bs with anyone who asks about them.
But what about those people looking to get into cars for the first time? Go out trying to talk to people, meet people in the know, trying to find out what parts are good and what arent, see different styles, etc, and all they get is the cold shoulder.
IMO if you are too good to talk to someone about your car, do me a favor, just drive your car, dont bother putting it in a show because for a lot of people a car show is a place to bs with people about cars and meet people.
Plus I never got the "too good for you attitude" thing for one major reason, by not meeting new people you are passing up possible connections.
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Everyone on this site is an asshole, and thats what keeps us together as a family. :icon_blackeye:
Oh the scene is dead in Bismarck as well, also Minot has some loss of light on there scene. The small scene that was here has diminshed into thin air.
Shit I havent even thought about cars in a year. lmao well sort of, but my new job $$$ and new location next month are going to change that factor heavily.
One step closer to my G35.
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A couple things I have noticed over the last year and a half or so....
First, last year, for some reason, seemed a lot more involved like most have said than this year. Every week there was a "CRUISE THIS FRIDAY?" thread. This year the last cruise I heard of was July 4th and before that was early June or May sometime...I know it has to do with the fact that nobody wants us hanging around in their lot. What we should do is try find a business that can handle a decent amount of vehicles that we have an agreement with, we dont mess around in the lot and they let us stay, especially if they're closed by the time we'd be there and wouldn't interrupt any business.
Second for me at least is the lack of local places that cater to domestics. Like others have said, I can't name a single shop that specializes in domestic performance parts...everything is more focused on older DSM's, Mitsubishis, and Subarus. Now granted I know we could probably bring our cars in to a shop like SLS or Tintmasters and possibly get them to work on it, but it'd be a lot nicer to have a shop that knows your car a little better and doesn't seem to have a bias towards import vehicles (not trying to start a war here, i'm not saying anyone is like this but we'd be stupid and blind to say that everyone doesnt have a slight bias towards what they like). Some parts and upgrades are fairly simple DIY jobs, but sometimes it would be nice to have the input of a shop as to how to do a certain thing or who would be able to get it in, get it done, and get it out fairly quickly without charging a kidney and two testicles. There is more I could add to this probably but don't remember because of the time and my lack of brain function.
Thirdly is all the fighting. Now this is where I REALLY don't want to start a fight or anything, but this is where the tempers flair and E-penises/egos grow. There are so many little "click" type things here that the community as a whole really can't come together on one thing that we all enjoy, modifying vehicles or just enjoying them for what they are. Import vs Domestic, V8 vs 4 Cylinder vs 6cylinder, Shop vs Shop, Mitsu vs Suby, etc etc. Nobody allows anyone else to have their own opinion without cutting them to pieces over it. Any time an import owner posts a video or comments on a domestic getting raped all the domestic people flip shit and go on about the mighty V8, any time we post a video of an import getting smoked or talk about it all the import people flip out and how the HP/Liter ratio of a import > Jesus Christ himself. Sure it's fine that we can all have the usual Ford vs Chevy, Domestic vs Import rivalrys, but at the same time it seems we've lost focus on the fact that different budgets and incomes, lifestyles, and tastes are different for every person and shop. Instead of trying to force your vehicle beliefs on everyone just live and let live a little more. Don't like the carbon fiber hood this person has? shut the fuck up and live with it, it's not your car. We have to try take a little less personal level with things and just be happy with what we have and what we like, and realize not everyone thinkgs that way.
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well i dont have any input on the scene dying or anything like that but i know i'd like to do more to my civic to make it faster...but theres no further options besides n/a right now that i see....i'd like to have a turbo manifold made and make my own kit...but theres no one around that i know of that will make me one.....but once my new clutch is in my dsm...i'll have it at the track...and not breaking anything but into the 12's.:) hopefully.
Tony...you should go talk to the manager of the new scheels....its a nice big parking lot.....the owner is obviously into cars so i dont see why he wouldnt let us have events there.
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Just some suggestions from my end......im not from fargo but i used to like going there to cruise and hang out, now not so much, but if there was somewhere to meet ppl i would come over more. The other thing is a suggestion for the shop owners/employees, I have gone into 2 of the shops in Fargo more than once each and was never helped or talked to except maybe "what do you need?" after 5-10 minutes and then not talked to about anything else. Sometimes i was just coming to hang out, and sometimes i was actually there to buy stuff. I go to school at UND and i actually prefer the ppl up there at least at the shops they are cool and pretty willing to talk to a newbie usually.
A couple not specific examples would be i went in to look at buying a part, i was told they didn't have any in stock and that was it, no offer to do anything about it, so i ordered my $475 item off the internet. I have had this happen at least twice at different shops for stuff that i ended up ordering off the internet elsewhere.
So my suggestion would be teach employees to talk to ppl, it is the most basic part of sales. I really think that would get more ppl interested in buying parts and modding there cars, or at least keeping the buisness local.
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Ok, so OI have not read this whole thread because I am just to lazy, so forgive me if I hit things that have already been said, but here it goes.
Gas is expensive, but thats not the real reason, just a factor. I also beleive the real reason has to do with the shops getting along. I will just say shop names because everyone already knows who they are anyways. I used to work at SLD, every time i go into work, I would get shit from people who were around the shop about having a tintmasters sticker on my car... i realize you guys are related in the market, but it just sucks that someone couldnt have a system and tint by tintmasters and a turbo kit by SLS. YOU ARE NOT DIRECT COMPETITION, GET OFF EACHOTHERS BALLS! I like hanging around SLS/SLD, and TM. I hang around tintmasters more because there is more people there, and even though I probably am, I dont feel like I am protruding on their space when I go in to talk. I have bought from both shops on more than one occasion and plan to keep doing so.edit: I am cool with both shops and would like to keep it that way. I am not hating on anyone in this post.
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