Is GOD real?
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2wheeler;197936 wrote:
Oh, and any of the religious types on here. feel free to explain the actions of all the priests that like to fuck little boys.Those religious "leaders", the ones you may be listening to every Sunday, are child molesters. It could be your pastor.
Let me guess, as long as they are truly sorry, they'll go to "heaven".
If that's true, I don't wanna go there(a place that accepts child molesters).
A preist isn't God. A prest is a person and their actions have no reflect on my spirituality. Why would they? I don't beleive in confessing my sins to a preist. I don't beleive that the pope is any more God like than I am. Man was not created to be God.
Spirituality isn't about being sinless and being sorry for sinning isn't the magic ticket.
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tjamz;197977 wrote:
So, is Mike Edwards still the one running the show there? I've done a bit of work with him in the past, along with their electricians from Rhodes Electric (I kid you not, the owner of Rhodes Electric is a guy by the name of Dusty Rhodes....he looks nothing like the American Dream though..../end off topic discussion). Good guys, but it put me in a weird situation when they asked me to join them in prayer at the end of my sales presentation...lol.. Ya Mike Edwards was still there when i graduated. Ya i know Dusty Rhodes I have a couple buddy's that work for him.
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Ethan always starts some interesting threads. I'll just touch on a couple items.
God = yes
Carbon dating: it's a farce. It's filled with assumptions... like the atmosphere has been consistant throughout time, etc. Who the heck knows that? If the atmosphere had changed at anytime along the "billions" of years that evolutionist believe, then carbon dating is worthless. If you believe in creation, then carbon could surely have been created at any point in it's lifetime that the creater chose.
Evolution: There is a small amount of evolution of creatures over time, but there are no NEW creatures created over time. They were all created in the beginning. How do I know? Well, there are some animals that just could not have evolved. There is that beetle, uhh bombardier beetle, it basically has a tube built into its body, and when it's under attack it mixes some ingredients together which literally explode out of the tube. How many different tries do you suppose that beetle had to try to mix the correct ingredients together? How about the design of the tube? I suppose even if it got lucky the first time and mixed the ingredients right, what if the tube wasn't quite strong enough the first time? There are many other examples, where I don't see any possible way evolution covers the design of many/most animals.
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2wheeler;197936 wrote:
Oh, and any of the religious types on here. feel free to explain the actions of all the priests that like to fuck little boys.Those religious "leaders", the ones you may be listening to every Sunday, are child molesters. It could be your pastor.
Let me guess, as long as they are truly sorry, they'll go to "heaven".
If that's true, I don't wanna go there(a place that accepts child molesters).
Well then let's just throw anyone with a sporty looking car or bike in jail because they're all law breakers.
This is taken directly from philosophy notes. I thought it was kind of interesting to try to explain the whole evolution/creation debate. I personally believe that God kind of "got the ball rolling" and evolution eventually took it's course. How God came to be, though, I'm not sure.
P1. Look around. We see objects in motion.
P2. If something is in motion, then it must be caused to be in motion by something outside of itself.
P3 Either there is an infinite chain of motion or an Unmoved Prime Mover got everything moving and maintains it in motion.
P4. There cannot be an infinite chain of motion.
C1. An Unmoved Prime Mover exists.
C2. God exists.
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dubbsy;197891 wrote:
You believe what you believe if you allow me my beliefs. Don't try to change my mind, don't force your beliefs onto me, and most of all DO NOT judge me because I don't believe in God (that is one of my biggest complaints - the view by some that atheists/agnostics are devil worshiping immoral people).:icon_cheers: :icon_salut:
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The Mike Huckabee thing was pretty deep in a hurry and i enjoyed it. It kind of brings me to something my grandpa once told me (guy goes to church most every sunday) He said believing in god you cant really lose If he is real you will go to heaven if not you just wasted a little bit of time in life.
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91teggy;197989 wrote:
The Mike Huckabee thing was pretty deep in a hurry and i enjoyed it. It kind of brings me to something my grandpa once told me (guy goes to church most every sunday) He said believing in god you cant really lose If he is real you will go to heaven if not you just wasted a little bit of time in life.Yeah. Basically like "If you don't believe in God, you'd better be right."
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SmitEvo;197902 wrote:
Well when god created the world it took him seven days....maybe a day for god is a million years or whatever he wants it to be. So maybe he created single organism which evolved by his wishes during the days of creation....and also during those days he created a bunch more shit and finally after seven days his masterpiece was finished. Just think the he could of created the dinosaurs and then said i dont like them and wiped them out during day three for god and started something different. Time is subjective here....anyways sorry for my thoughts, just throwing the argument the other way.Agreed
SmitEvo;197903 wrote:
.... back to Jesus Christ, Islam and Judiasm believe in him as a prophet not the choosen one. Also, judiasm, islam and christianity broke off their separate ways in Moses time.Very good point, if you look back the "Old Testament" of all three are the same. Islam broke off when their prophet Mohammed was around.
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And since I havent been around to state my opinion. I believe in God. I am also catholic. I've read what most of you people have posted and i'd like to say shut the fuck up unless u know what you're talking about. Most of your views on catholicism are way off...if you dont know what some people believe then dont say that's what they believe in, its being stupid and ignorant. I dont make it to church often, i'm too busy up here, and back home the church we have I hate. Most of the people that go there go to be seen so people think they're "good church going people", and not for religious purposes. Since I dont go to church all the time am I going to hell? NO. Also, it takes more then just going oh I'm sorry I sinned and its all better. You have to truly ask for forgiveness and actually mean it. As far as being lazy, i'm pretty sure the Lutherans do a lot less for mass and religion in general. And then there's the alter boy stuff....I was one, I never had anything happen to me. That's just like saying everyone that drives an import street races. All different segments of the population have child molestors, for example teachers, baby sitters, etc.
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Adrian Peterson plays this weekend.....so yeah, hes real.
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bubba;197993 wrote:
And since I havent been around to state my opinion. I believe in God. I am also catholic. I've read what most of you people have posted and i'd like to say shut the fuck up unless u know what you're talking about. Most of your views on catholicism are way off...if you dont know what some people believe then dont say that's what they believe in, its being stupid and ignorant. I dont make it to church often, i'm too busy up here, and back home the church we have I hate. Most of the people that go there go to be seen so people think they're "good church going people", and not for religious purposes. Since I dont go to church all the time am I going to hell? NO. Also, it takes more then just going oh I'm sorry I sinned and its all better. You have to truly ask for forgiveness and actually mean it. As far as being lazy, i'm pretty sure the Lutherans do a lot less for mass and religion in general. And then there's the alter boy stuff....I was one, I never had anything happen to me. That's just like saying everyone that drives an import street races. All different segments of the population have child molestors, for example teachers, baby sitters, etc.I agree with most of what you said, though the catholic dogma clearly states that the only way to get into heaven is to be catholic (they are, in their opinion, the church of christ, the one and only true Christian church) Actually, most of what was posted by others was not too far from the truth. Catholics DO believe that the wine & bread become the body & blood of Jesus Christ, whereas most other Christian faiths acknowledge that we take communion as a rememberance of the body & blood of Christ and that we are to consume the wine/bread to remember that Jesus gave up his body and spilled his blood for all sinners, so that we may be cleansed of sin. There are many many things I disagree with the Catholic church on (I grew up Catholic as well...was an alter server, confirmed, etc....) The thing that really drove me away from the Church was when I got divorced in 1999. I was going through a really hard time, and the church basically told me that since divorce was a sin, I was no longer a member of the congregation.....unless I paid $2500 for an annulment, then all would be forgiven and the priest would speak with me again and help me on my way.
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dubbsy;197891 wrote:
The only reason I do is because I am from a family of devoted Christians. It's a holiday I'm given and it's a time to gather with family.This is the family I grew up in - I was baptized and I went through confirmation. It was about the time of my confirmation that I started to really question religion and realized my beliefs were not in line with those of Christianity. The fact is I do not believe in (a) God and I do not believe in a heaven or hell. I live my life for the hear and now, not out of fear for what may happen to me after I die. Where I came from is not important to me. Growing up atheist/agnostic in a religious family I've really tried to keep my beliefs to myself. You believe what you believe if you allow me my beliefs. Don't try to change my mind, don't force your beliefs onto me, and most of all DO NOT judge me because I don't believe in God (that is one of my biggest complaints - the view by some that atheists/agnostics are devil worshiping immoral people).
I believe the exact same thing he just said.
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