Swap.........avi?
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Parker;206623 wrote:
do you know anything about complicated engine swaps? <u><u>OR</u></u> we could just ask what do you know?.... that seems like a better place to start... because from what i have read so far... you like to over complicate things... there are kits out there for a 2.3, and if people are swapping the 5.0 into them in sure a 2.3 would fit... and in a case like this you dont reprogram the miata ECU... you make a wiring harness to fit the 2.3 ECU( not that hard) and make it work with the swap car ( reprograming, resistors, you get the point)... comments? i can do this all day... so please, at least do a google search before you reply, and inform yourself about these sortof swaps so i dont have to point out the obvious... as you clearly need done...was this projected at me or the nooby... If so I know that there are kits for v8's, and I know people do 2.3's, but there is no need for these swaps other than shock factor of opening your hood. A LSx or a 302 isn't a wise choice, IMHO, To compliment the miata's inteded pusposes.... Altho a tube fram miata dragster with a beefy v8 in it would be sweet, or you could go with a 6 liter jag v12 like brainsboy on Miata.net...
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Joel I do belive your wrong about the LSx swap. Those engines are nearly the same weight as the 1.6 in there. You loose nearly none of the cars handling capabilities. They are just an expensive and involved swap to do properly. So it's not for the faint of heart.
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Joel;206636 wrote:
was this projected at me or the nooby... If so I know that there are kits for v8's, and I know people do 2.3's, but there is no need for these swaps other than shock factor of opening your hood. A LSx or a 302 isn't a wise choice, IMHO, To compliment the miata's inteded pusposes.... Altho a tube fram miata dragster with a beefy v8 in it would be sweet, or you could go with a 6 liter jag v12 like brainsboy on Miata.net...
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=258649
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weshole;206632 wrote:
A lil off topic (imagine that).... But Parker, what rear diff are you running in the 7?
im using the stock one till the kinks are worked out of it... but by mid summer i will have a ford 8.8 in it... then comes a trans brake and some giggle juice
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weshole;206639 wrote:
Joel I do belive your wrong about the LSx swap. Those engines are nearly the same weight as the 1.6 in there. You loose nearly none of the cars handling capabilities. They are just an expensive and involved swap to do properly. So it's not for the faint of heart.I never said anything about how much the motor weighs, wes. The fact is, the miata is a quick, Nimble car. I guess 300 ft/lbs of torque doesn't strike me as nimble. With a turbo setup, you aren't always in boost, there for you can still take a corner at a decent amount of throttle without killing yourself. I guess I might just be a n00b driver but thats the way I see it. I would love to have the power of a v8 without having to go forced induction, I don't have the knowledge or the deep pockets needed for doing it properly. I guess my car won't be a monster miata...
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A quick car? The MIATA? I think not. It IS a fun spirited car to drive because it is so light. But 300 ft lbs as you refer to it is only 300 ft lbs when you decide to use it. I'd rather have the option of having the power and deciding NOT to use than watching whomever go right by. I'm speaking from having one for almost 4 years now. You'll see when you get more wheel time. OF course you may be comparing it to previous cars you have owned. Then it may seem like a supercar. You can only justify the cars handling prowess and power to weight ratio so much.
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If you ask any Ford gearhead about swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3 foxbody, they'll tell you the cheapest and best way to do is to plain trade in the 2.3 and buy a stock 5.0.
The Ford K-member was designed to accept both the 2.3 mounts and the 5.0 mounts.... if you get a k-member just for swapping the 5.0 into the miata you'll probly run into some major issues with getting the 2.3 mounted. The wireharnesses between a 2.3 and 5.0 are completely different, to the point that some of the pin-outs are different. The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.
The Monster Miata kit isn't gonna be much help for this one. You'll still find that you need a lot of custom work and that the usual kits aren't going to help much at all
...and don't even get me started on if your donor car had a TFI ignition system.. even the Ford guys are ashamed of that one (especially if the resistor gel overheated, leaked and started the module on fire). :eek: I know you would use the miata ignition, but who knows what issues you might run into with spark plugs and grounds and general wiring, the TFI had super-high risistance on one end in the modules and super-low resistance on the other end to cope with it.
I didn't know there were kits for dropping a 5.0 into a miata.. that swap is kind of frightening.. kewl though :woot:
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And a Thunderbird 8.8 IRS is a pretty rock-solid rearend, and one of the reasons that a thunderbird can handle just as well as mustang of the same year, despite the car being 500lbs heavier
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A 2.3 turbo would be a good motor for a Miata and the swap can't be any more difficult than stuffing an LSx into an FD, and a lot of fools have done that one. Just an fyi, for a donor motor getting one from a 82-88 thunderbird turbocoupe or a cougar XR7 would probibly be a lot cheaper than the SVO.
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weshole;206652 wrote:
You're not gonna kill the 8.8 IRS out of the Thunderbird. They hold up tp the best that the best LS1-2 throws at it. And...... IT HANDLES with it.
theres a kit for the solid axle... bolts in, nuff said... if someone made a complete kit for the IRS 8.8 i would buy that.... but theres not... so im not going to fuck with it.... the car will handle just fine with a solid axle in it... -
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
If you ask any Ford gearhead about swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3 foxbody, they'll tell you the cheapest and best way to do is to plain trade in the 2.3 and buy a stock 5.0.The Ford K-member was designed to accept both the 2.3 mounts and the 5.0 mounts.... if you get a k-member just for swapping the 5.0 into the miata you'll probly run into some major issues with getting the 2.3 mounted. The wireharnesses between a 2.3 and 5.0 are completely different, to the point that some of the pin-outs are different. The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.
The Monster Miata kit isn't gonna be much help for this one. You'll still find that you need a lot of custom work and that the usual kits aren't going to help much at all
...and don't even get me started on if your donor car had a TFI ignition system.. even the Ford guys are ashamed of that one (especially if the resistor gel overheated, leaked and started the module on fire). :eek: I know you would use the miata ignition, but who knows what issues you might run into with spark plugs and grounds and general wiring, the TFI had super-high risistance on one end in the modules and super-low resistance on the other end to cope with it.
I didn't know there were kits for dropping a 5.0 into a miata.. that swap is kind of frightening.. kewl though :woot:everything you have said is to be expected with this kind of swap...its not hard, it just takes time and research.... lots of it
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this kind of swap...its not hard, it just takes time and research
and money, just saying he might be better off with something a little more plug-and-play, if working on a budget. If money were no object you could do a turbine engine swap.
my view on the matter is that if it costs more to do the swap than to just buy the car, then why bother, unless you just wanna show off that you have money to spend on odd projects. I dont think the 2.3 project is going to be any cheaper than the Monster Miata kit in the end.
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LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.Fuck that no way, that will never work
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
the TFI had super-high risistanceFuck that, it had remote inductance
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
issues you might run into with spark plugsIt doesnt even have spark plugs... jeez
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
The Ford K-member was designed ... :Its called a F-U member..... dumbass
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