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  • JohnWJ Offline
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    JohnW
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    Alright so in trying to find this bastard tick I got a wild hair up my ass and decided to check the cam timing. It was one tooth off counterclockwise at #1 TDC. heres where it sits now, this is correct isn't it?
    legacy image

    so assuming this is correct, i put it all back together and fired her up.
    now the ignition timing is fucked up.

    according to my timing light, #1 is firing damn near exactly TDC, no where near 18 BTDC where it is supposed to be. You can only adjust a few degrees either way using the distributor. Needless to say it runs like ass, but it does sound a bit happier.

    any ideas?

    (BTW for some reason I had it in my head that hondas weren't supposed to be as big a pain in the ass as DSMs shrug)

    90 Civic DX hatch
    D16a6/y8 mini me

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    • K Offline
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      KA-T_240
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      bring it to kyle@TM............

      PM me for:
      Sandblasting(I use glass beads)
      Diesel repairs or performance products.

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      • JohnWJ Offline
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        JohnW
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        #3

        if i wanted to pay someone else to do it i wouldn't have bothered with a thread 🙂

        90 Civic DX hatch
        D16a6/y8 mini me

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        • MisterCMKM Offline
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          MisterCMK
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          I'm thinking that the distributor might be off a tooth or 2. Try re-stabbing it.

          FASTER THAN DUBBSY

          > thrash;315544 wrote:
          > I noticed that the new 5.0 valve covers say "Ford Motorsport" or something on them. Instead, the valvecovers should be a big bald eagle, holding a rifle in one talon, an american flag in the other, eating apple pie, and shitting on the outline of europe.
          >
          > Ford is back :)

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          • MisterCMKM Offline
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            KA-T_240;212431 wrote:
            bring it to kyle@TM............

            yawn This isn't a Dodge forum in here. Some of us can handle working on our own vehicles.

            FASTER THAN DUBBSY

            > thrash;315544 wrote:
            > I noticed that the new 5.0 valve covers say "Ford Motorsport" or something on them. Instead, the valvecovers should be a big bald eagle, holding a rifle in one talon, an american flag in the other, eating apple pie, and shitting on the outline of europe.
            >
            > Ford is back :)

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            • JohnWJ Offline
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              JohnW
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              goddamn it.

              the cam timing procedure for a d16a6 is different than for the d15.

              YOU'D THINK THE GODDAMN FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL WOULD MENTION THAT, WOULDNT YOU???!!!

              fuck no it doesn't.

              90 Civic DX hatch
              D16a6/y8 mini me

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              • JoelJ Offline
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                Joel
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                it can't be THAT different. Unless the firing order itself is different, which is isn't

                no race car? becuz homeowner...

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                  JohnW
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                  no, its a pretty damn important difference tho. on a D16a6 there is a mark at approx 7 oclock on the cam gear which needs to line up with a small arrow on the timing belt cover. this is different from a d15 where you have to line the marks at 3 and 9 oclock up with the deck. the FSM doesn't mention shit about the proper way to set up a d16 it only shows the procedure for the D15 so it looked like my cam timing was off a tooth. it wasn't. just seems like something you might need to know. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if it wasnt in a haynes or chilton manual, they have a tendancy to lump different models together and leave out the specifics to save space. This is the goddamn FSM tho, and this is need to know information. Shitty shit is shitty.

                  90 Civic DX hatch
                  D16a6/y8 mini me

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                  • DrifterExtremeD Offline
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                    k here is how you time ALL d series motors.....

                    1. qut being a retard (j/k, but not really)
                    2. line the tdc mark( this is the only mark all alone on the pulley) on the crank pulley to the plastic protrution on the timing bet cover. ( fuck yur o' clock measurements)
                    3. line the side marks on the cam gear so they are level with the head/block, NOT the ground, car, fender, w/e...
                    4. zero the dizzy (that means center)
                    5. install timing belt or slip it back on w/e
                    6. start car and with the use of a trusty timing light turn the dizzy till the flashy light hits the center mark out of the 3 marks off on there own.

                    tighten down dizzy bolts.....

                    and done

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                      JohnW
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                      heres how you time a d16a6 if you are drifter extreme

                      1. Stop smelling your own farts
                      2. line the tdc mark( this is the only mark all alone on the pulley) on the crank pulley to the plastic protrution on the timing bet cover. The oclock measurements are for the cam gear, dick, there's no point of reference on the crank pulley.
                      3. line the side marks on the cam gear so they are level with the head/block, NOT the ground, car, fender, w/e...
                      4. zero the dizzy (that means center)
                      5. install timing belt or slip it back on w/e
                      6. start car and with the use of a trusty timing light turn the dizzy till the flashy light hits the center mark out of the 3 marks off on there own.
                      7. realize your timing is retarded 18 degrees because you are a know it all twat.
                      8. search honda-tech and find out the cam timing is different on a d16a6 and there is a possibility you might not have known something about hondas.
                      9. call your mom
                      10. cry
                      11. go back and find the line on the cam pulley at 7 fucking oclock, line that up with the arrow on the protrusion of the timing cover directly below the cam gear, not the one you used to put the crank at tdc.
                      12. repeat steps four through 6 with a little more goddamn humility.
                      13. hope nobody saw you fuck up
                      14. start smelling your own farts again

                      j/k, but not really, douche 🙂

                      see here under 'cam-timing mis-information':

                      http://www.cadvision.com/blanchas/54pontiac/honda.html

                      90 Civic DX hatch
                      D16a6/y8 mini me

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