Fucking Cops
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MBaby007;219551 wrote:
Those are just two reasons why having and/or enforcing this law is stupid. I understand that some bad tinting can make it terrible to see out of, but still... Gah. I have nothing to say on the subject, just that it's not right.The part that really pisses me off is that the cop made Synth scratch his window pretty badly to guarantee that the tinting would be removed. That's probably why I'm ranting. I can't believe that an officer would do something like that as opposed to just writing him a ticket and leaving it at that.
It's good to know that back windows can be 35% in ND, though, since now he has to get it fixed. Aargh.
While I do believe dark tint being illegal is stupid, the reasoning there isn't very stupid. Tint CAN be so dark that a cop never would be able to see a gun/weapon until it was too late.
tjamz;219553 wrote:
I'm fairly sure it is illegal for them to demand you damage your tint. That would be like getting a noise ordinance ticket for a loud stereo and them demanding you put a screwdriver though the cone of your subs.Yeah that's what I was thinking too...although unless he had a gun to your head I doubt he can MADE anyone do anything. And if the situation did come to something completely outrageous like the cop putting the gun to his head...the cop would be dead meat :p:
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Yeah. That's what I told D since I wasn't there, but the thing that's really pissing me off (sorry, ranting again) is that the tint was done extremely well, so when the cop tried to scratch it, it didn't come off. So then he told Derek to do it, and they're almost convinced he scratched his window because of it.
Seriously, what the hell...
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Sounds like it's time to make a nice, civil call to somebody's superiors, just to see if the officer was following procedure. They've probably got the stop recorded still, too. I don't think there's anything in procedure saying "make the vehicle's owner damage their property for no real reason."
They can't guarantee that you'll replace the tint because it's scratched. And if he tried to damage your property - and then made you do it yourself - that's just wrong. May as well have tried to kick the taillights out, and then made you do it, so you'd be sure to replace them.
in california, though, i think they get to crush your car if you're stopped and everything isn't C.A.R.B. approved.. and there's somewhere that they're confiscating modded cars and using them as patrol cars. all just to make a point.. probably about "street racing."
..back to my point, I'd definitely make a call to the department. Make sure it's clear that this isn't about whether or not the tint was illegal; it's about damage being done to personal property, and what's the word.. duress? i don't think that's quite it - but an officer made him damage his own property, and that's not okay. Definitely an over-flexing of authority.
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harm;219592 wrote:
Sounds like it's time to make a nice, civil call to somebody's superiors, just to see if the officer was following procedure. They've probably got the stop recorded still, too. I don't think there's anything in procedure saying "make the vehicle's owner damage their property for no real reason."in california, though, i think they get to crush your car if you're stopped and everything isn't C.A.R.B. approved.. and there's somewhere that they're confiscating modded cars and using them as patrol cars. all just to make a point.. probably about "street racing."
If i am not mistaken, law enforcement generally keeps recordings of general traffic stops and such about 3 months then destroys them. ( in the case of tapes, records over them).
California, Sheeeesh, Might as well let California drop out of the union of the states, too many idiots in the government there. Dont get me wrong here i am not pointing at the police, or law enforcement only here, but what many of the laws in california come down to is stupidity, by all means crush street racers cars, assholes deserve it, but crush a persons car cause their intake or exhaust is not state certified (as if a stiff fine wouldnt suffice). California Might as well adopt communisim.
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Thanks, Harm. I think that'll be done. And if the window was scratched, the department will be getting a bill for it.
I appreciate everyone's help. I've been pretty aggravated since I heard since I hate that law to begin with and now Synth's car has a big scratch from the top of the window straight down to the bottom until he gets it fixed.
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ooh, i'm capitalized, even. haha..
good luck with the call. just remember.. keep it civil.. it's bad enough when they start out thinking "this was illegal and they're just trying to get out of a ticket" - keep 'em on track with what the actual problem is. the cop tried to scrape his car, and then made him do it himself.. tint laws may suck, but they're still on the books. causing damage or coercing somebody to cause damage.. not right.
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MBaby007;219643 wrote:
Thanks, Harm. I think that'll be done. And if the window was scratched, the department will be getting a bill for it.If that happens, it sure as fuck better come out of the cop's paycheck...I, as a taxpayer, don't want to pay for the cop's own stupidity.
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Also, come to think of it, years back i had a police officer back home scrape at my tint with a key, oh well, he didnt do any damage anyway, so yeah some do do that, i guess some have the mentality, if its illegal, and it has to come off then what will it hurt...
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I don't know any HP's, but my contacts with the FPD agree that an officer scratching your tint sounds absolutely ridiculous. You have the option of taking the tint off, or not. If you want to keep driving around w/the tint and racking up citations, that's up to you. In fact, the PD would probably appreciate the extra money. But physically altering your vehicle for what basically amounts to a non-criminal equipment violation is absurd.
The only time I've ever seen an officer alter something legally on a vehicle is when the equipment is used for evidence such as a license plate (fictitous registration).
Good luck with what you decide to do and keep us posted.
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