*2008 Presidential Thread* McCain vs Obama *Poll*
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Tad218;221170 wrote:
I don't see how Republicans can even be happy about having McCain as their nominee.You at least got this part right. Both candidates suck, this is one of the worst elections ever as far as choice go. Last time I checked we didn't operate our country on the principle of redistribution of wealth though, nor did we operate it on the basis of the Constitution being more of a set of guidelines to follow rather than THE law of the land.
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Tad218;221170 wrote:
**Obama **for so many reasons.Starting with the obvious: The Iraq war. There's no good reason left to be there.
McCain will stay.
Obama's tax plan is gonna benefit the lower and middle class. It's not going to be good for the rich, but right now that's not affecting me or most of us.
McCain will keep the tax cuts for the rich
Obama will mandate coverage for children and subsidize health care for adults.
McCain won't change a thing.
Obama has a plan to give college students thousands in tuition in exchange for public service, like working at homeless shelters.
McCain won't change a thing again. At least in our country.
I don't see how Republicans can even be happy about having McCain as their nominee. It's completely advantage Obama
None of these things really effect me at all. I guess depending on what you want to call middle class/upper class it could if he did get elected and held onto two terms. Subsidized health care will have no bearing on if I vote for him. More than likely just raise taxes. Tuition exchange sounds like a good idea, but where is that money coming from. I am more worried about a president who understands economics and money supply. We have too much inflation and our dollar is weak. Plus we need to get to a more balanced budget since we have been using expansionary credit for our economy way too long and that bubble is eventually going to burst. I guess I need to find out more about McCain also...
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Voting Obama. Not because he is a democrat, but because I think he is the only one of the two that is capable of being an effective leader.
McCain brings nothing new to the table. Right now, the country is hungry for change (whether that is good or bad is another topic all together) from the pace our economy/war/etc.. is currently moving at. McCain has (thus far) brought no plans to change any of this.
Obama is willing to look at new avenues.
Think about this: If the CEO of a company had been driving it economically into the ground and taking on projects/endeavors that were unpopular by its shareholders for the past 8 years and announced his retirement.
Would you:
A. Hire the guy who is proposing sticking to the same policies & procedures as the old CEO and hope things go differently this time around
or
B. Look for someone with a new vision and desire to make things happen.
My vote is solidly for "B", as option "A" is pretty much the definition of insanity.
As for wealth distribution, there is some truth to that w/ a tiered tax system, however the wealthiest also receive bigger tax incentives and are most likely to get the benefits of increased taxes (AKA Corporate welfare/subsidies). So they pay more and get more. The absolute bottom rung of income earners in this country certainly get proportionally more than they pay in and I have no solution to fix that as of yet (aside from making them work for the city/county/state/federal governments doing jobs like litter control, etc.... as the only way that they can get a paycheck...but that is my idea...not a candidates.)
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dangit brian, why didn't you make the votes public?
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Though it won't actually happen, I do believe it would be pretty neat to see Ron Paul elected based off write in votes.
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StangerBanger96;221187 wrote:
Though it won't actually happen, I do believe it would be pretty neat to see Ron Paul elected based off write in votes.Lol...I have a better chance of winning the lottery than that happening. I dont know who I want to vote for...they both SUCK!
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SmitEvo;221188 wrote:
Lol...I have a better chance of winning the lottery than that happening. I dont know who I want to vote for...they both SUCK!Exactly! On all regards...it'll never happen and this election sucks. To me even voting in it is a waste of a vote because I don't want McCain elected nor do I want Obama elected.
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Ron Paul is still gonna play a big role in this election
Ron Paul is aiming for a major speaking roll at the National Convention later this summer and Minnesota is not the only place where he and his supporters have shall we say not be greeted with open arms. Take the events at the Nevada State Convention for instance, where Paul supporters fought so hard to get some of his delegates seated that the convention was eventually postponed. In actuality, the Nevada State Convention is not going to be held at all, but the delegates are to be chosen by the party.
Now, John McCain may have more supporters than Ron Paul, and Paul’s supporters are fiercely loyal to him. In recent primaries, Paul has pulled as much as 25% of the vote that John McCain needs in his camp this coming November. And some of the statements he made to the crowd of about 400 of his supporters did hit at the Republican party. For instance, he argued that the Bush administration got us into the war in Iraq by misleading us as to the actual facts.
Paul’s supporters fought on the floor of the Minnesota Convention, which is taking place in St. Paul to get some of his delegates seated, which they feel will lead to Paul getting a speaking spot at the national convention. According to Minnesota State Party Chairman Ron Carey Paul and his supporters are going about it the wrong way and he would have a much better chance of getting a speaking spot if he would throw his support to McCain.
Now, the way I see it a pattern is immuring in the way the state conventions are dealing with Paul and his supporters. They need his support in November, no question about it. So, if he wants to speak and get his message across, then support McCain and get a shot at a speakers roll. Fight on to get his delegates seated, and the road to a speaking roll will be hard if not impossible.
Will Paul throw his support to McCain? Do you believe in miracles? Remember, he said party unity is not his number one agenda. And he has run as a Libertarian in the past. Now, we all know he cannot get the Libertarian nomination this time around. Bob Barr has that already, but just imagine the reaction if Ron Paul were to through his support behind Bob Barr ? Talk about throwing a monkey wrench into the works.
Jim;221196 wrote:
Obama.Was at the rally on June 3rd (2 mile long line to get in):
That's awesome..I would've loved to go but it seems like everything happens on such short notice
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Obama is bad news. He's way more socialist than hillary, and unlike hillary who is bought and paid for by established interests (so we can expect her not to change all that much), Obama is a wild card and likes the smell of his own shit.
I recommend all of you buy your AR-15 lowers and get your builds done now. Obama is 100% anti-gun (look at his voting record, especially when he was younger).
Basically with Obama and Mccain we're getting "fucked" and "less fucked". The next president is going to have a shot at something like 3 supreme court appointments.... letting Obama stack the deck with leftist psychopaths is not something I get real excited about.
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I think I will end up voting for Obama. He wants to give a better G I Bill to Vets. McCain does not. I am all for it. More money for me to go to school on. Its not like we didnt earn it.
Ron Paul, yeah vote for someone who wants to eliminate federal student loans. So that way our population becomes less educated and the countries future becomes more fucked. Ron Paul is Nuts with encouraging conspiracy's. Paul wants to remove troops from all foreign soils. WTF is that going to help. Nothing. It will make us more vulnerable. He also opposes the Federal War on drugs. Well then where is the money going to come from to fight drugs??? He also voted against more border patrol. Thats great let more illegals in to the country. He is too far out there.
I would rather vote for Hillary than Ron Paul.
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hahah. The idea is to stop fighting drugs. Although I'm sure our government could figure out a way, you don't need to spend any money to fight drugs once you've decided to stop fighting them.
The "war on drugs" has done a few "Great" things
- revoke most of our search & seizure protection laws
- put black men in jail at an alarming rate
-- excaberating the problem of most black children growing up fatherless - cost us a shit-ton of money
- made drug lords rich, militant, politically relevant players in most of the countries that were trying to build democracies before we re-purposed their economies into drug fiefdoms and made them essentially lawless
I've never smoked, drank alcohol, or done any kind of illegal drugs. Devout mormons (who also abstain from caffiene) are about the only people more straightedge than I am. But I can't be convinced that our federal drug war is worth it. Not when most people in our generation have smoked weed and been fine. Not when most people in hollywood do coke and are never prosecuted for it. The inequality of justice in the drug war and the sheer scale of its infection into our civil liberties really makes me uncomfortable. I'd be fine repealing it all bit by bit.
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Seriously, Obama has some kind of messiah complex. Check out this quote from his speech the other nite:
I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.
Apparently, Obama will part the oceans and heal the sick?
What have all those doctors been doing since the hippocratic oath? Not providing care? Only caring for healthy people?
I'm interviewing multiple people this week and next for new jobs (not vacated jobs -- new ones) at my company (one of the largest cash injectors into the Fargo economy, BTW). I might have lost the memo that said "don't start hiring until next week, after Obama creates jobs out of magic fucking unicorn giggles"
The guy is in love with himself, and his fans are eating it up.
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This thread is full of win. I'm not voting for anyone, due to the reasons listed by many before me.
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