So anyone voting for the yes no yes?
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iluvracing;221865 wrote:
It is a right because it is legal. also very true fargo bars are better. (my opinion)No, it is a privilege. Driving a car is a legal thing to do....but it is a privilege as well. Free speech/expression is a right, so long as your as your speech/actions do not infringe on the rights of others. Even with rights, there are limitations.
To further clarify: The right to free speech is a right, but to hear my opinion is a privilege.
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tjamz;221869 wrote:
No, it is a privilege. Driving a car is a legal thing to do....but it is a privilege as well. Free speech/expression is a right, so long as your as your speech/actions do not infringe on the rights of others. Even with rights, there are limitations.correct. that's why YOU as a citizen do not have to choose where you go.
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Rights are not "granted" or given to people by their government, we are born with them. Rights are unalienable because they are endowed in every person by their creator, or if you would rather, by nature. Other than God, there is no higher authority.
You do not need permission to exercise rights. This is significantly different from a privilege where permission from a terrestrial authority is required.
People often make the mistake of thinking that the Bill of Rights lists the rights government gives you. This is not true; the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that the rights come from the creator, not the government. Also the Ninth Amendment makes it clear that there are other rights not enumerated and, like all rights, they fall under the jurisdiction of people.
The government, on the other hand, has no rights, only the privileges that we, the people, give it. We, the people, created it. It cannot dictate to us what we can and cannot do, or who we can and cannot marry, no more than you can boss your own parents around.
Government exists only to protect your rights. That is why they are listed, so the government knows its job, not so you know what your allowed to do.
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and yes, I did copy/paste my last post....then deleted the page before I could give credit to the source that wrote it....but I do agree with it.
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MisterCMK;221875 wrote:
YOU are free to leave the establishment...Don't really have to anymore, according to tonight's voting.
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MisterCMK;221875 wrote:
I haven't read the thread but how can somebody justify infringing on the rights of one to protect the rights of another?YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! someone who agrees. thank you
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iluvracing;221877 wrote:
YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! someone who agrees. thank youA person who isn't smoking doesn't infringe on your privilege of being in the bar. However, a person who is smoking infringes upon other peoples' right to health. Saying "You have the right to leave the bar" doesn't hold any weight, because the non-smoker will just resort back to the same argument.
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true. so just go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking.
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iluvracing;221879 wrote:
true. so just go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking.I don't have to. I have the privilege of choosing which bar to patronize and the right to clean air inside. Legally, my argument is reinforced by citizens who voted tonight. You can either go outside, quit or go to a bar that allows smoking.
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reshalghoul;221878 wrote:
A person who isn't smoking doesn't infringe on your privilege of being in the bar. However, a person who is smoking infringes upon other peoples' right to health. Saying "You have the right to leave the bar" doesn't hold any weight, because the non-smoker will just resort back to the same argument.They can leave the bar. Nobody is forcing them to be there. They made a CHOICE to be in the bar and they can choose to leave if they don't want to deal with smoke. The fact of the matter is that taking the rights of one person in order to "protect" the rights of another is bullshit.
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MisterCMK;221883 wrote:
Oh and sprinklers don't save lives.Smoking bans make me want to stand outside of a bar and blow smoke on people. :lol:
ha. that's kinda harsh but I hear ya man.
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MisterCMK;221883 wrote:
Oh and sprinklers don't save lives.Smoking bans make me want to stand outside of a bar and blow smoke on people. :lol:
Actually, could you please smoke much more frequently? It'd be nice if you could remove yourself from the gene pool at a quicker rate.
Thanks!
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MisterCMK;221884 wrote:
They can leave the bar. Nobody is forcing them to be there. They made a CHOICE to be in the bar and they can choose to leave if they don't want to deal with smoke. The fact of the matter is that taking the rights of one person in order to "protect" the rights of another is bullshit.I would concede smoking as a "right" if smokers couldn't purchase health insurance or couldn't undergo medical procedures related to their smoking if they, you know, did indeed develop lung cancer or something similar. I hate it when people abuse their bodies, then expect everyone else to pick up the tab.
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MisterCMK;221888 wrote:
I lawl because I don't actually smoke...Just as I suspected, you're being a douche for the sake of being a douche. It's your natural calling.
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MisterCMK;221884 wrote:
They can leave the bar. Nobody is forcing them to be there. They made a CHOICE to be in the bar and they can choose to leave if they don't want to deal with smoke. The fact of the matter is that taking the rights of one person in order to "protect" the rights of another is bullshit.QFT^^
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