*2008 Presidential Thread* McCain vs Obama *Poll*

[Guest]

willing to make a small wager there gsr? Say $5....nothing big, but just something to keep it semi-interesting?

[DelSlow]

Chuck i bet you $10 someone will win the presidency.

[Guest]

DelSlow;222036 wrote:
Chuck i bet you $10 someone will win the presidency.

Clever.

[Guest]

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Kinda shocked when I checked this the other day, as McCain had a substantial lead a few weeks ago.

[harm]

as for obama having more votes.. remember the democrats' caucus was open for most of the day, versus the fifteen minutes or so that the republicans had. Time does factor in to the number of people who were able to show up and have their say. (still, shocking numbers of people on both sides!)

a bit of exaggeration on the amount of time, yes. wasn't it like six or eight hours for democrats, versus 1.5 to two hours for republicans?

[DaveH]

tjamz;222034 wrote:
willing to make a small wager there gsr? Say $5....nothing big, but just something to keep it semi-interesting?

I'll put $5 on it.

[Raider]

I vote tjamz for president

[integra_gsr98]

I'll also put $5 on it.

[Guest]

Ok...Dave and GSR, I'll take your bets. Hopefully when I win I will still be able to buy a gallon of gas with the $10 I'll have in my pocket at that time...
FWIW, I am not looking to make any additional bets...just doing this for fun with people I consider good friends.

[Guest]

So Dave and GSR say McCain will be president and jamz says Obama, with the winner(s) receiving $10 or $5? Just want to be clear....

[DaveH]

When Nick and I win, Chuck pays us each $5

[integra_gsr98]

Correct.

[Guest]

or...when Obama wins, I get a total of $10...

you know 5+5=10...right?

[Bookem]

reshalghoul;221405 wrote:
Edit: I always make sure to wear a helmet (brain's too valuable) and I don't drive like an asshat. What's the name of the trucking company you manage (no reason)?

Make an intro thread and I'll think about it.

[integra_gsr98]

tjamz;222170 wrote:
or...when Obama wins, I get a total of $10...

you know 5+5=10...right?

Right, but if he wins by the time you pay for your neighbors healthcare you'll only get $2 of it.

[Tad218]

But if tjamz loses the bet, the economy continues the trend it's on his neighbor won't have a home anyway. But at least the Iraqis will be getting their shit together :icon_salut:

[DaveH]

Tad218;222184 wrote:
But if tjamz loses the bet, the economy continues the trend it's on his neighbor won't have a home anyway. But at least the Iraqis will be getting their shit together :icon_salut:

I agree that Obama's tax plans are confiscatory, but if he loses I don't think he'll go around taking peoples houses.

:icon_geek:

[Guest]

Parker;221389 wrote:
a very nice email i got from my sister

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Subject: In Just One Year

This email comes in three parts.
Part 1:
In just one year.  Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following. A little over one year 

ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high.
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon.
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase).
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate 

(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars.
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember its Congress that makes laws and appropriates money not the 

President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in 

the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change
it." -- Barack Obama

Ahhh... let's go through this little list, shall we?

1. Consumer confidence plummet;
   ----- subprime crisis
2. The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
   ----- Iraq war, oil speculation (aided by the Enron loophole), and foreign growth
3. Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
   ----- **subprime crisis **
4. American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
   -----** subprime crisis **
5. Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
   ----- subprime crisis
6. 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
   ----- **subprime crisis

**So, the problems with this country have to do with the subprime crisis, the Enron loophole, the Iraq war, and foreign growth.

Exactly which of those is the Democratic Congress resposible for?

Wanna know what IS interesting....? McCain's chief economic advisor is one of the architects of the legislation that allowed the subprime crisis and the Enron loophole, when he rushed through a bunch of bank deregulation as a senator in 1999; otherwise there would have been a far smaller economic breakdown (and maybe no Enron scandal and less oil speculation, too).

As for the "quote" that Obama allegedly said:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp

Not only was it a political in-joke, it was directed at presumptive nominee John McCain.

[SPANISH-RICE]

tjamz;225579 wrote:
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
----- **subprime crisis **

.

how were we at -5% unemployment?

[Grr]

well heres a little food for thought.
Tuesday, July 08, 2008
The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.

Last month, 11% of voters gave the legislature good or excellent ratings. Congress has not received higher than a 15% approval rating since the beginning of 2008.

The percentage of Democrats who give Congress positive ratings fell from 17% last month to 13% this month. The number of Democrats who give Congress a poor rating remained unchanged. Among Republicans, 8% give Congress good or excellent ratings, up just a point from last month. Sixty-five percent (65%) of GOP voters say Congress is doing a poor job, down a single point from last month.

Voters not affiliated with either party are the most critical of Congressional performance. Just 3% of those voters give Congress positive ratings, down from 6% last month. Sixty-three percent (63%) believe Congress is doing a poor job, up from 57% last month.

Just 12% of voters think Congress has passed any legislation to improve life in this country over the past six months. That number has ranged from 11% to 13% throughout 2008. The majority of voters (62%) say Congress has not passed any legislation to improve life in America.

To put that into perspective, G W Bush, the one responsible for absolutely everything wrong for eternity, has a 12% rating. So if Bush is so fucking bad, why do people think hes doing a better job than congress, but blaming him for everything?