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ichibankilla;231502 wrote:
I kind of wonder if they'll show up at P10 and start shit, they'd be some dumb sons of bitches if they did.i did see one guy that i think worked for them there last night.
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I wonder if you need a CC permit to carry a rifle around with you? I mean, it's not really concealed now is it.
Seriously though, anybody got any info on how to go about getting one and where to go to get it?
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CCW is not a joke nor something to be taken lightly.
There is a class that is usually held monthly at Sportsmans Warehouse. You pay $30 to take the ND test and once that is completed you turn the paperwork over to the cass county sheriff. They will run a background check on you, forward the paperwork over to the fargo pd who will also run a background check on you, and then send it back to you.
You then mail the completed paperwork, $25, and 2 passport photos to the BCI in Bismarck. They will then do another federal background check and if you pass and meet all criteria they will issue a permit.
The permit is valid for 3 years, must be renewed before it expires, and does not mean you can carry everywhere either.
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Go to the Ohio class...the permit has reciprocity in like 30 states. So instead of having to go to an ND class and a MN class (since they don't have mutual reciprocity) you can get an ohio permit which has reciprocity with both MN and ND.
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IMO there is no reason to need to carry around here. i think it would only make things worse.
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SPANISH-RICE;231765 wrote:
IMO there is no reason to need to carry around here. i think it would only make things worse.You'd be surprised at how many people are carrying and you never even know it.
CCW permit holders are statistically the most law abiding citizens in the nation. A smart person who is carrying will be the only person who knows they are armed (unless a situation arises where they would need to draw their weapon).
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StangerBanger96;231764 wrote:
Go to the Ohio class...the permit has reciprocity in like 30 states. So instead of having to go to an ND class and a MN class (since they don't have mutual reciprocity) you can get an ohio permit which has reciprocity with both MN and ND.It is Utah.
Bader and I both went to the Utah class and took the ND test at the same time.
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SPANISH-RICE;231765 wrote:
IMO there is no reason to need to carry around here. i think it would only make things worse.Why carry car insurance? What is the odds you are going to use it?
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integra_gsr98;231798 wrote:
Why carry car insurance? What is the odds you are going to use it?between hail damage and the chances of getting in an accident when its snowy ( your fault or someone else) probly pretty good.
now what are the chances that youre going to think your tough shit and run your mouth more when youre strapped versus when you are not.
at what point during any scuffle you might get in does a a gun come in handy? gonna scare somone with it? or are they gonna pull theirs? gonna get your ass beat and shot with your own gun?
a gun wouldnt make the situation better, cuase like you said youll never use it, all it does is give false sense of security to someone who cant handle their business like a man.
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SPANISH-RICE;231803 wrote:
at what point during any scuffle you might get in does a a gun come in handy? gonna scare somone with it? or are they gonna pull theirs? gonna get your ass beat and shot with your own gun?a gun wouldnt make the situation better, cuase like you said youll never use it, all it does is give false sense of security to someone who cant handle their business like a man.
I watched a study on this one night on tv, they had 4 people try to defend their home with a handgun in round one and a shotgun in round two. The scenario was someone broke into their home and they had to run upstairs to their bedroom, grab their gun from their drawer and stop the intruder as they entered their bedroom...about 12 to 16 feet between the door and the drawer w/ the gun.
The people they chose for this test were:
A housewife
A Security Guard
A Police Officer
A Navy SealRound 1 (handgun):
Housewife missed with all 6 shots
Security guard missed with all 6 shots
Police Officer grazed the shoulder w/ one out of 6 shots
Navy Seal grazed the ribs w/ one out of 6 shotswinner: Intruder
Round 2 (shotgun)
Everyone stopped the intruder with one shot...most unloaded more into him though, except the seal who conserved his ammo in case there were more than 1 intruder.
Of course, no one actually fired a live shot, but they were using blanks (to simulate kickback, noise, etc...) and laser sensors to determine if the shot hit the intruder.
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Of course -- which is why a shotgun is the #1 home defense weapon and everyone agrees on that point.
That doesn't have much to do with the CCW argument though. As long as its (effectively) illegal to have a concealable shotgun, people will need to deal with pistols for CCW
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SPANISH-RICE;231803 wrote:
at what point during any scuffle you might get in does a a gun come in handy? gonna scare somone with it? or are they gonna pull theirs? gonna get your ass beat and shot with your own gun?You don't use a gun in a fist fight, period. You don't draw your gun or let someone know that you are carrying a gun unless you fear for your life.
People who pull guns because they can't back their shit up are bitches, period. That is not why a law abiding citizen carries a concealed weapon. Look at the mall shooting in Nebraska, or Virginia Tech, or any situation like that and the need to carry is proven when there is someone on the loose or shooting that may take your life. Now the odds of this happening really are slim to none, but why not be prepared for that case?
You will find that most people that carry concealed you will 1) never know they have it on them, 2) avoid all bad situations as much as they can, and 3) be completely law abiding. I'm going to post a picture, which most people will probably flame on but of my carry rig and you'll understand how it works, how you can't tell I'm carrying, and why even if you look you will likely ever be able to tell that someone who is carrying concealed has a weapon on them...
Does it make me more of a man for carrying? No
Do I want to have to shoot somebody? No
Do I even ever want to have to unholster in public? No
Does it make me a bad person for carrying? No
Am I likely to ever have to use it? No
Do I feel better knowing that if a situation were to ever arise I have an option? YesThere is an NRA statistic that something like 99.9% of CCW permit holders will never draw their weapon. Of that .1% that WILL have to draw their weapon, 8 out of 10 of those situations where they may have to draw because they feel for their life will be diffused without ever having the pull the trigger.
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