OBAMA is a socialist!!!!
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Jim;244269 wrote:
Does Obama want nationalized health care.... no.Yes. He hates that not everyone gets health care. He's going to steal from me to pay for others to get care. Name one economy anywhere in the world where government forces everyone to have government-paid-for healthcare and then the government itself doesn't directly nationalize or regulate to the point of defacto-nationalization of healthcare. Did you know that private healthcare in Canada is (effectively) illegal ? That doesn't bother you?
Are Obama's tax plans promoting ACTUAL income reditribution... no.
Yes. Furthermore, his tax plans aren't at issue -- his words are. His own words are "we need to spread the wealth around, you need to share with the people behind you". His tax policy is one of the ways he'll do that, but unfortuneately, not the only way.
Are Obama's tax plans promoting levels of taxation anywhere near to the levels of taxes in the so called "socialist" euro states? No
For most of the people who will get handouts? Of course not. They won't pay antyhing.
You probably don't remember this, but prior to Reagan the top income tax bracket was over 50%. Seriously. We're only 30 years away from being as bad as the euro-socialist nations. And our corporate income tax rate is one of the highest in the world, and Obama wants to get more money via corporate income tax. Yet somehow he's going to keep jobs here in the US by increasing the business tax burden?
Has deregulation of the banking industry helped us? No
It's not clear to me that you've tendered a qualified opinion or analysis on this issue. Suggesting that bank deregulation is at fault or even relevant in the current situation when the primary entities involved were all creations of the federal government [which have worked to avoid being regulated] seems dishonest.
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Jim;244270 wrote:
Socialist want to force the means of production in to the hands of the working class, none of which Obama has supported or proposed, here is a quote directly from the Socialist party:.This is exactly what I said in the quote above. This is the one part of socialism that Obama doesn't claim to be for.
But the large majority of the rest of the socialist platform he "is" for.
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thrash;244271 wrote:
Yes. He hates that not everyone gets health care. He's going to steal from me to pay for others to get care.im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.
if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
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So then wtf is the point of working, going to school for a long time and trying to get a high paying job such as a surgeon, lawyer, docter ect, when one can just skip college all together and the government will punish those that worked to get where they are and give me their money?
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kylush;244316 wrote:
So then wtf is the point of working, going to school for a long time and trying to get a high paying job such as a surgeon, lawyer, docter ect, when one can just skip college all together and the government will punish those that worked to get where they are and give me their money?If you honestly think your quality of life is worse if you make more than $250,000/year than it is if you are on welfare making $12k/year (at best) I suggest going back to school and taking economics classes.
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tjamz;244325 wrote:
If you honestly think your quality of life is worse if you make more than $250,000/year than it is if you are on welfare making $12k/year (at best) I suggest going back to school and taking economics classes.No the point is if you are successful because of hard work and school, you shouldnt be penalized more than others for that.
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tjamz;244325 wrote:
If you honestly think your quality of life is worse if you make more than $250,000/year than it is if you are on welfare making $12k/year (at best) I suggest going back to school and taking economics classes.If you honestly took that as the literal meaning of my comment you definitely missinterperated it. It was an extreme example asking why someone who goes to school for 8-10 years and spends a shitton on and education, or works their way up a ladder through a company, and works their ass off to get a good paying job should be penelized for doing so. And why someone would be motivated to do so just so the government can fuck them over more so then if they hadn't.
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The whole tax issue/debate could be simply fixed with a flat tax rate. Why create brackets? Why take more $ from people who are more successful? There is no reason to punish them for being successful, just keep it a simple flat tax rate.. Which ever % that would be would be whatever is equivalant to what the whole nation pays already. Than everyone can stop their bitching, because if they make an extra $10-200k or whatever a year, they are taxed the same.
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24valvenotak;244314 wrote:
im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
I'd like to add a +1 to this mmmkay? Oh and lolz...
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24valvenotak;244314 wrote:
im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
its a bit different for a business.... 250k is not alot of money... for some thats just scraping by... -
24valvenotak;244314 wrote:
im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
Well, first off, I don't make anything near 250k/year, but that number is irrelevant because the tax plan he's selling isn't the tax plan we'll get, and looking at it only from a AGI perspective misses all of the other tax disasters he's cooking up. I say "me" to generally mean "people who work". You might be surprised to know that the majority of people in the tax brackets Obama claims he's going to increase taxes for are actually Democrats. Yet Republicans vocally oppose this not out of selfishness or direct self interest, but because coercive wealth redistribution is immoral. We've been doing it a long time, but that doesn't mean its OK to make it worse.
Also, I typically don't eat fast food. My wife cooks most of what we eat from scratch. Supersizing tends to give you bigger fries and a drink, both of which have a massive glycemic load and are strongly correlated with early onset Type2 diabeties. So I try and avoid it. That's two stupid assumptions you've made.
But the real point here is this: basically, you feel it is OK to steal money from anyone that makes more than a certain amount of money? Really?
Suppose that I was making 250k a year. You'd come up to me, and say "give me $500 or else?" Seriously? How can you call yourself a human with an attitude like that? And then have the nerve to accuse me of kitten killing?
Or is it ok when 20 people mob together and say "you, with the 250k, give us $5000"?
either way, its fucking theft, and in the latter case, its angry-mob theft.
It's immoral. It's illegal. If you support this sort of government, you may as well wait for me outside work and mug me, hoping to get the trivial amount of cash that I carry.
I am not against helping sick people, nor am I against charitable giving. When I sold my house in Seattle to move here, I gave a tithe on the proceeds of the sale to my Church. I don't want to assume too much about you specifically, but that amounts to more in charitable giving than many people will do in their entire lives.
I am against the outright nationalization of health care, which is what the progressives want, and I am against coercive redistribution of wealth, which is what Obama stands for and re-iterates at every opportunity.
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