OBAMA is a socialist!!!!
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24valvenotak;244314 wrote:
im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
Well, first off, I don't make anything near 250k/year, but that number is irrelevant because the tax plan he's selling isn't the tax plan we'll get, and looking at it only from a AGI perspective misses all of the other tax disasters he's cooking up. I say "me" to generally mean "people who work". You might be surprised to know that the majority of people in the tax brackets Obama claims he's going to increase taxes for are actually Democrats. Yet Republicans vocally oppose this not out of selfishness or direct self interest, but because coercive wealth redistribution is immoral. We've been doing it a long time, but that doesn't mean its OK to make it worse.
Also, I typically don't eat fast food. My wife cooks most of what we eat from scratch. Supersizing tends to give you bigger fries and a drink, both of which have a massive glycemic load and are strongly correlated with early onset Type2 diabeties. So I try and avoid it. That's two stupid assumptions you've made.
But the real point here is this: basically, you feel it is OK to steal money from anyone that makes more than a certain amount of money? Really?
Suppose that I was making 250k a year. You'd come up to me, and say "give me $500 or else?" Seriously? How can you call yourself a human with an attitude like that? And then have the nerve to accuse me of kitten killing?
Or is it ok when 20 people mob together and say "you, with the 250k, give us $5000"?
either way, its fucking theft, and in the latter case, its angry-mob theft.
It's immoral. It's illegal. If you support this sort of government, you may as well wait for me outside work and mug me, hoping to get the trivial amount of cash that I carry.
I am not against helping sick people, nor am I against charitable giving. When I sold my house in Seattle to move here, I gave a tithe on the proceeds of the sale to my Church. I don't want to assume too much about you specifically, but that amounts to more in charitable giving than many people will do in their entire lives.
I am against the outright nationalization of health care, which is what the progressives want, and I am against coercive redistribution of wealth, which is what Obama stands for and re-iterates at every opportunity.
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What's funny is that McCain doesn't even think Obama is a socialist
(Transcript from Larry King Show)
L. KING: Do you -- you don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist, do you?
MCCAIN: No. But I do believe -- I do believe that he's been in the far left of American politics. He has stated time after time that he believes in quote, "spreading the wealth around." He's talked about courts that would redistribute the wealth.
He has a record of voting against tax cuts and for tax increases. And I don't think there's any doubt that he would increase spending and he would -- and sooner or later, we would be increasing taxes.
There is no doubt in my mind that that's what his record -- 94 times he voted to cut taxes -- against tax cuts and for tax increases. He voted for -- and that's what matters, not rhetoric -- to raise taxes on individuals making $42,000 a year.
L. KING: Concerning spreading the wealth, isn't the graduated income tax spreading the wealth?
MCCAIN: The graduated income tax...
L. KING: If you and I paid more so that Jimmy can get some for him or pay for a welfare recipient, that's spreading the wealth.
MCCAIN: Well, that's spreading the wealth in the respect that we do have a graduated income tax. That's a far cry from taking from one group of Americans and giving to another. I mean, that's dramatically different.
WHAT!?!?!?!!?
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McCain doesn't even know what he is talking about anymore....and you guys want him to be president? Seriously?
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Spread the wealth... Hmm, so does he think he's Robin Hood or something? -- I still think it's unfair to take from the rich & give to the poor. Why push to make an honest successful living if if you become very successful, a large portion of your income goes to people who are maybe lazy, people with no ambition to work, or just bad workers that can't hold a job. I understand that there are some people who are physically disabled, or almost completely incompetent to work, but, how many people you think that are on welfare that could currently easily hold a labor job? -- They should just push for a flat tax rate, but we all know that would never happen... The poor/middle class will complain too much, yet in my opinion it would be the fairest route to go.
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tjamz;244502 wrote:
McCain doesn't even know what he is talking about anymore....and you guys want him to be president? Seriously?When Obama gets elected, there will be a many videos of him having a blunder. Obama has no plan anyways...it all about CHANGE. What Change? His economic plan is a joke...
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What is McCains plan? He's been throwing the "Change" motto out for a while now too. And everything that I've seen says that his tax/spending plan will do far more damage to the nations economy than that of Obama.
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tjamz;244529 wrote:
What is McCains plan? He's been throwing the "Change" motto out for a while now too. And everything that I've seen says that his tax/spending plan will do far more damage to the nations economy than that of Obama.Answer my question first...
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thrash;244465 wrote:
Well, first off, I don't make anything near 250k/year, but that number is irrelevant because the tax plan he's selling isn't the tax plan we'll get, and looking at it only from a AGI perspective misses all of the other tax disasters he's cooking up. I say "me" to generally mean "people who work". You might be surprised to know that the majority of people in the tax brackets Obama claims he's going to increase taxes for are actually Democrats. Yet Republicans vocally oppose this not out of selfishness or direct self interest, but because coercive wealth redistribution is immoral. We've been doing it a long time, but that doesn't mean its OK to make it worse.Also, I typically don't eat fast food. My wife cooks most of what we eat from scratch. Supersizing tends to give you bigger fries and a drink, both of which have a massive glycemic load and are strongly correlated with early onset Type2 diabeties. So I try and avoid it. That's two stupid assumptions you've made.
But the real point here is this: basically, you feel it is OK to steal money from anyone that makes more than a certain amount of money? Really?
Suppose that I was making 250k a year. You'd come up to me, and say "give me $500 or else?" Seriously? How can you call yourself a human with an attitude like that? And then have the nerve to accuse me of kitten killing?
Or is it ok when 20 people mob together and say "you, with the 250k, give us $5000"?
either way, its fucking theft, and in the latter case, its angry-mob theft.
It's immoral. It's illegal. If you support this sort of government, you may as well wait for me outside work and mug me, hoping to get the trivial amount of cash that I carry.
I am not against helping sick people, nor am I against charitable giving. When I sold my house in Seattle to move here, I gave a tithe on the proceeds of the sale to my Church. I don't want to assume too much about you specifically, but that amounts to more in charitable giving than many people will do in their entire lives.
I am against the outright nationalization of health care, which is what the progressives want, and I am against coercive redistribution of wealth, which is what Obama stands for and re-iterates at every opportunity.
1)dont call me stupid, stupid. i wasnt attacking you. instead of making snide remarks and trying to belittle me with your thesaurus you should be busy not taking this all so seriously.
2)tone down the voice of your pieces, the reading level on this site is not quite at the collegiate level.
3)since you are a christian how can you say that some people SHOULD live lavish lifestyles consuming things simply for the sake of consuming and worshipping a false idol ie MONEY while others toil their lives in the gutter, bearing the weight of society on their shoulders ie working class/poverty stricken individuals? does that land on your moral compass? or does being a christian simply excuse you for having to rationalize all of that because you give "offerings" every sunday? i guess thats the beauty of subscribing to a religion where you can break all of the rules and just say "im sorry" at the end of the day and all is forgiven. its doesnt really matter how you treat your fellow man because a "my bad" will save your soul. send that dying man to the county hospital because he doesnt have insurence, he could die but im sorry thats store policy. HA. christians.
4)do yourself a favor and dont bring up your religion when your arguing anything. it makes you look like a fool. not to mention bragging about giving a bunch of money to the church is a sin. pride. hubris. vanity. good thing you can repent and confess or that last reply of yours could have really dicked you huh?
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not if you can help it, you dont want to pay for it!
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we already pay for it you fuck.... were the hell did i say i want people to get turned away from hospitals? i have no problem paying for someone to go to the hospital with my tax money... i do have a problem giving someone who dosent pay taxes my hard earned money...
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Parker;244665 wrote:
we already pay for it you fuck....yea, reluctantly.
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