So what you think of kanye?
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I grew up in a urban area (1m+) way south and way east of here. We moved around town a lot so that I could attend the "good" schools, but the city had a county-wide bussing policy to re-level race distribution at all the public schools. Instead of there being ghetto schools and other schools, they put a little of the ghetto in every school. There were kids getting up way earlier than everyone else to take a 2 hour bus ride to my highschool, and then there were kids driving 1-2 year old BMWs that their parents couldn't be seen driving any longer. The kids were in the same physical building but didn't integrate academically or socially -- the only integration happened on the football & basketball teams.
My wife went to school in a part of minneapolis with only affluent white people. Ridiculous shit happened to her friends as well -- and there were no poor angry blacks around. It's just a matter of groups doing what they think they'll get away with. Sometimes those groups form along racial lines, and sometimes they don't.
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thrash;288469 wrote:
False. At least when I was younger.I think anytime you have a group/mob mentality, the mob will do whatever they think they can get away with, requiring no provocation whatsoever. Individuals will generally do what they think they can get away with; large numbers just amplifies this tendancy. If an individual or group is pre-disposed to fucking with people for the hell of it, and thinks there will be insignificant consequences, they will do so.
I remember a time I was at school when one of the smaller black kids came up to me and the group of friends I was talking to and tried to push me out of the way to walk right through our group. As I had the mass advantage on him, I pushed him out of the way pretty nonchalantly and attempted to continue socializing. A bunch of his friends were watching and immediately started yelling and what not. Naturally my nerdy white friends evaporated and this group of guys comes over and starts dressing me down etc like I had committed some great injustice.
The scenario was pretty interesting: the young/small guy needs to "man up" and fuck with somebody -- it just happened to be me -- while his older friends were watching, like some kind of rite of passage. They had "his back", in the event one of us had the audacity to shrug him off or perhaps retaliate.
Ultimately, in that situation either they weren't all that interested in actually beating my ass, or I managed to talk them out of it - no punches were thrown. But it was definitely a sort of "trial run" for this younger kid. Egged on by group dynamics and the notion of "let's just see what I can get away with" -- he went for it. I had never seen the guy before or had any interactions with him [or any of the people he was with]. I had my back turned to him when he came up to me.
If you look at the bus video incident, the 2nd kid (5 minutes later) also starts to beat this guys ass. Watch him during the first fight.. he's close and interested, but doesn't participate. You can see him thinking it over. Empowered by the first guy (and the lack of response), he decides he wants to strut a bit himself, and so a few minutes later he gets up and starts throwing a few punches. Once the kid retaliates and throws one, he gives up immediately.
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Exact thing has happened to me in school as well (and on school buses full of white kids where fights were not uncommon even in tiny ass Balta ND where there were 6 kids in my grade from K-8). In that case I consider it as you do as a kids right of passage. As adults, none of these same people would contemplate doing that same shit (unless copious amounts of alcohol/drugs are involved) 99% of the time. I'm still convinced, that with a few exceptions/neighborhoods, that I could walk into a club by myself anywhere in the US (I'm not a huge bad ass white dude either...average height, a little fat) and not fear getting my ass kicked.
FWIW, at the Hub, the biggest group you have to fear is the bouncers from what I hear.
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Anyway, my point in that was that it has nothing to do with race.
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And, I think you are wrong. The bus fight was absolutely racial -- that was the group delineator. They chose him not because he was him, but because he wasn't one of them.
A different bus with a different composition would have chosen differently. Racial boundaries are one of the ways people cleave into "us and them", but just because there are other ways doesn't mean we say this wasn't a race-based act.
Furthermore, just because there were a few other white kids on the bus that didn't get attacked doesn't disprove the suggestion, nor does the fact that not all black kids were involved, nor does the fact that eventually a black kid showed up to do something about the fighting.
IIRC, there have been reports of black KKK members. Does that make the KKK a non-racist organization?
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I can concede that point I guess as it is a lot easier to be one of "us" rather than "them" in that type of situation.
My (original) point is that there is no reason to call someone a nigger though or to be worried just because you are around a bunch of them.
Link, if it was a white kid that had fucked with you in hockey or that was acting all "gangsta-like" in school, would you have called him something racially charged (cracker, honkey, etc...) or would have you just called him a fucking cheater/punk ass? I'm guessing it wouldn't have been racial then.
If you wouldn't have called a white dude that, why go there with a black guy? Or mexican or asian or indian?
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When discussing this subject the MAIN difference between people like Thrash and Chuck vs guys like bubba and rexwagon are that the first 2 guys are educated enough and "get it" and those other guys just flat out don't. How are you gonna sit there and act like black people are always doing the wrong thing? I know that there are PLENTY of reports of whites being useless tools of society.... i.e. When that group of redneck pieces of shit chained that black guy to their bumper and drove down the road just cause he was black. OR when the group of hillbillie sisterfuckers handcuffed that guy to a fence and let him die just cause he was gay... Now as for the Hub, Joe and I use to go their every weekend and sometimes twice a week and NEVER had any problems with black people. And just so you know if I were to walk up and see some black guys beating either of you 2 I would gladly join them because IMO the less people like you in this world the better
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Kossick;288488 wrote:
When discussing this subject the MAIN difference between people like Thrash and Chuck vs guys like bubba and rexwagon are that the first 2 guys are educated enough and "get it" and those other guys just flat out don't. How are you gonna sit there and act like black people are always doing the wrong thing? I know that there are PLENTY of reports of whites being useless tools of society.... i.e. When that group of redneck pieces of shit chained that black guy to their bumper and drove down the road just cause he was black. OR when the group of hillbillie sisterfuckers handcuffed that guy to a fence and let him die just cause he was gay... Now as for the Hub, Joe and I use to go their every weekend and sometimes twice a week and NEVER had any problems with black people. And just so you know if I were to walk up and see some black guys beating either of you 2 I would gladly join them because IMO the less people like you in this world the betterOmg hillbilly sisterfuckers you racist! I dont think you get it, these people dont hate black people. quit saying that. They hate niggers. This thread is about a nigger.
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Bp-08;288490 wrote:
Omg hillbilly sisterfuckers you racist! I dont think you get it, these people dont hate black people. quit saying that. They hate niggers. This thread is about a nigger.There is <u>NO</u> difference between the two. The N word is a slanderous term for African Americans. ALL African Americans. Not just a certain population of them. <u>Look up the fucking history of the word</u>. Anyone who thinks differently is just trying to make an excuse to use the word, is completely ignorant and BEYOND retarded, or trying to mask or deny their true racist feelings.
Here is a quote from the African American Registry:
The history of the word nigger is often traced to the Latin word niger, meaning Black. This word became the noun, Negro (Black person) in English, and simply the color Black in Spanish and Portuguese. In early modern French, niger became negre and, later, negress (Black woman) was unmistakably a part of language history. One can compare to negre the derogatory nigger and earlier English substitutes such as negar, neegar, neger, and niggor that developed into its lexico-semantic true version in English. It is probable that nigger is a phonetic spelling of the White Southern mispronunciation of Negro.
No matter what its origins, by the early 1800s, it was firmly established as a derogative name. In the 21st century, it remains a principal term of White racism, regardless of who is using it...
...The word, nigger, carries with it much of the hatred and disgust directed toward Black Africans and African Americans. Historically, nigger defined, limited, made fun of, and ridiculed all Blacks. It was a term of exclusion, a verbal reason for discrimination. Whether used as a noun, verb, or adjective, it strengthened the stereotype of the lazy, stupid, dirty, worthless nobody. <u>No other American surname carries as much purposeful cruelty.</u>
Anyone who thinks that the N word is only derogatory to a certain segment of the Black population deserves a baseball bat to the balls. No procreation for you. Fuck.
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amicheze;288494 wrote:
There is <u>NO</u> difference between the two. The N word is a slanderous term for African Americans. ALL African Americans. Not just a certain population of them. <u>Look up the fucking history of the word</u>. Anyone who thinks differently is just trying to make an excuse to use the word, is completely ignorant and BEYOND retarded, or trying to mask or deny their true racist feelings.Here is a quote from the African American Registry:
Anyone who thinks that the N word is only derogatory to a certain segment of the Black population deserves a baseball bat to the balls. No procreation for you. Fuck.
The boondocks begs to differ.
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amicheze;288494 wrote:
There is <u>NO</u> difference between the two. The N word is a slanderous term for African Americans. ALL African Americans. Not just a certain population of them. <u>Look up the fucking history of the word</u>. Anyone who thinks differently is just trying to make an excuse to use the word, is completely ignorant and BEYOND retarded, or trying to mask or deny their true racist feelings.Here is a quote from the African American Registry:
Anyone who thinks that the N word is only derogatory to a certain segment of the Black population deserves a baseball bat to the balls. No procreation for you. Fuck.
oh my fucking god, thank you. This guy gets it. +1
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amicheze;288494 wrote:
There is <u>NO</u> difference between the two. The N word is a slanderous term for African Americans. ALL African Americans. Not just a certain population of them. <u>Look up the fucking history of the word</u>. Anyone who thinks differently is just trying to make an excuse to use the word, is completely ignorant and BEYOND retarded, or trying to mask or deny their true racist feelings.Here is a quote from the African American Registry:
Anyone who thinks that the N word is only derogatory to a certain segment of the Black population deserves a baseball bat to the balls. No procreation for you. Fuck.
I've never agreed with you more.
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Bp-08;288497 wrote:
Why dont you just go move to the hood with your nig friends if you love them so much.First of all fuck you you racist piece of shit.
Second, I'd much rather live around my black friends than you at least they are respectful of others.
Third, next time my friends are around, I challenge you to say that exact same comment to them.
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Trafik Jamz;288480 wrote:
Link, if it was a white kid that had fucked with you in hockey or that was acting all "gangsta-like" in school, would you have called him something racially charged (cracker, honkey, etc...) or would have you just called him a fucking cheater/punk ass? I'm guessing it wouldn't have been racial then.If you wouldn't have called a white dude that, why go there with a black guy? Or mexican or asian or indian?
If it were a white dude, I probably would have just called him a little bitch or something along those lines.
The reason I don't have a problem calling the "ganster" blacks a nigger, is for 1 reason. If they can call themselves niggers, it must not be all the bad eh? So because a white person calls them a nigger, it's a big shit fit. Ya, ya, we can go back to the days of cotton picking and all that racial bullshit, but times have changed. If they hate the word so much, stop calling each other niggers.
Do you see white people getting worked up when someone calls them a cracker? I doubt it. We laugh.
Oh, and another reason I don't mind calling a black a nigger, is because it is by far the easiest way to get under a black's skin.
Hell, I work out with a black guy every morning, 5am - 6:30am, and boy do we have some great conversations. I have several other black friends.
The blacks I have no problem calling out are the low life bitches who think its cool to "pack a 9" and sell drugs or the ones who just like to cause drama. If they want to cause drama, they better be able to take shit in return.
Oh, and that definition of the word "nigger" is from when? When slavery was a big thing? Times have changed and the definition has evolved. Did you ever hear of blacks calling other blacks niggers back then? Probably not, at least not that often. Nowadays... every "gangster" is like "hey nigga", "you fuckin nigger", etc.
Oh and Chuck, I have no problem calling out a mexican, indian, another white, etc. There are the "cool" ones, and their are the "low life" ones.
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That's great and all. Coming from living in the less than pretty side of San Diego, I can tell you I knew a lot of people who would find that offensive, and wouldn't myself be caught dead using the N word around my old neighborhood. If you believe its an offensive word to black people, you're a fucking idiot. The end.
However, I think Kanye is sort of a dipshit anyway. His stealing of the spotlight for no reason is ridiculous. Its too bad you can't fire him from his job, or vote him out of office. Stupid rap stars..
This guy agrees.
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