So what you think of kanye?
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Link;288683 wrote:
Where is your point here? The facts I posted above says enough. There are by far more blacks who cause crime in the US than there are whites. End of story.So you hate blacks because of this. Should I hate whites because they cause more crimes where I live?? If you had decent reading comprehension skills, you would easily get some point out of what i said.
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Link;288683 wrote:
There are by far more blacks who cause crime in the US than there are whites. End of story.well, that may be true if you are counting uncounted crimes, but there is no data showing what you've claimed.
the data clearly shows that the majority of US prisoners are white people. What you may have meant to say is that as a percentage of their total population, blacks have a higher rate incarceration. The data does show that quite definitively.
As to the other comment earlier, the insinuation that black people commit crimes because they are poor is unsupported. The majority of welfare recipients in the USA are white (but so are the majority of ultra-wealthy people). To be able to say that low living stanard ==> prison, one would need to present some more compelling data. And even so, it would merely be correlating data, and not demonstrate causation.
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According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), in 2002, 8.5
percent of whites, and 9.7 percent of African-Americans reported using illegal drugs in
the preceding month, and 9.3 percent of whites, and 9.5 percent of African-Americans
reported themselves to be dependent on an illicit substance.So drug use is according to the above 2 sources, the use isn't much higher for blacks than whites (even if we use Bills source its not astronomically higher)
[wikipedia wrote:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States)....hey they site their sources at least]<u>Characteristics of offenders</u>A subsequent United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed for which the identity of the offender could be determined, 52.1% of the offenders were Black, 45.9% were White, and 2% were Other Races. Of the victims in those same crimes, 51% were White, 46.9% were Black, and 2.1% were Other Races. African Americans are disproportionately the offender in workplace killings. For example, in work place killings, 26.7% of offenders are Black out of a total African American population of about 13.4%. The report further noted that, "most murders are intraracial", with 86% of White murders committed by Whites, and 94% of Black murders committed by Blacks. [11] The document does not provide any details concerning what races or ethnicities are included in the designations "White", "Black", or "Other Races".
As of 2001, the chances of going to prison in percentages for various demographic groupsA February 1997 report on rape and sexual-based crime published by the United States Department of Justice stated that of the crimes surveyed, 56% of arrestees were White, 42% were Black, and 2% were of other races; although "Hispanic" was not recognized as a racial category, with Hispanics predominantly being grouped together with Non-Hispanic Whites. The report additionally noted that "victims of rape were about evenly divided between whites and blacks; in about 88% of forcible rapes, the victim and offender were of the same race."[12]
So of the drug users we've established a slight black bias for use vs white; for
For both 2004 and 2005, the percentage of incidents of rape or sexual assault with a white perpetrator and a black victim was 0.0, an estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases. In contrast, in 2005, in cases where the victim was white, 33.6% of the perpetrators were black. In 2004, only 8.3% of the perpetrators were black.[13][14]According to "Hate Crime Reported by Victims and Police," a 2005 Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report, hate crime offenders were most likely men (79%), strangers (51%), 30 or older (37.8%), and white (43.9%).[15] Although the raw number of whites charged with hate crimes is generally larger, the black rate per 100,000 is twice as high as the white rate.[16]
Reporting at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association (August 3, 2008), sociologists at Bowling Green State University found that men who attend college are more likely to commit property crimes during their college years than their non-college-attending peers. The research draws from three waves of data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and examines education, crime levels, substance abuse and socializing among adolescents and young adults.[17]
So, we have established that while blacks use slightly more drugs than whites, the whites have a higher percentage of people convicted of homicide and rape/sex crimes.
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Trafik Jamz;288686 wrote:
So....why so many more black people in jail than whites?Auto theft, robbery, etc.
But agian, your looking at one specific area of crime (drugs) as to the whole. Who gives a shit if they sell drugs or murder someone. They are still in prison. A crime is a crime.
Inspector - You live in a town where white's like to cause chaos and crime. Do you care to share what the ratio of blacks to whites is there? I'm willing to be it's quite the astronomic ratio. Which would explain why there are few blacks commiting crimes.
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About 10.4% of the entire African-American male population in the United States aged 25 to 29 was incarcerated, by far the largest racial or ethnic group—by comparison, 2.4% of Hispanic men and 1.2% of white men in that same age group were incarcerated. According to a report by the Justice Policy Institute in 2002, the number of black men in prison has grown to five times the rate it was twenty years ago. Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college. In 1980, there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college.
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Focus on the chart labeled "Percent of Men Age 18-29 in Prison, by Race/Ethnicity, 2005". Also read the little paragraph above it.
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Link;288688 wrote:
Auto theft, robbery, etc.But agian, your looking at one specific area of crime (drugs) as to the whole. Who gives a shit if they sell drugs or murder someone. They are still in prison. A crime is a crime.
Well, I do, because I'd let most of the people in jail on drug charges out of jail. IMO, crimes need to have victims to be real crimes, and "yourself" isn't a valid victim. Ergo, most drug offenses aren't *offensive to me *at all.
If blacks were still going to jail at 4x the rate of the white population even when drug convictions were thrown out (which they may well be), I'd be pretty curious about the underlying causes of that.
On the other hand, if the data were to show that black people are in jail because they know the cheapest way to get free rent, meals, and cable TV for a few years is to be caught carrying weed, should I be mad at them, or should i be mad at the stupid laws/enforcement in this country?
So, what they did (and to who) matters a lot if you are trying to draw some useful conclusion from this [which is kind of a questionable goal to begin with]
And it's all intellectual rather than pragmatic anyway: the fact that 8% of the black population is currently in jail doesn't tell you anything about the black guy infront of you -- he may have already done time and got let out and is just itching to find someone to victimize so he can get a ticket back in, or he may be so good that he never gets caught, or he could be like the overwhelming majority of blacks that simply don't commit serious crimes.
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inspector01;288684 wrote:
So you hate blacks because of this. Should I hate whites because they cause more crimes where I live?? If you had decent reading comprehension skills, you would easily get some point out of what i said.Most people in Ireland are white.
If you want to hate your own race go ahead and be a dumbass
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thrash;288692 wrote:
Well, I do, because I'd let most of the people in jail on drug charges out of jail. IMO, crimes need to have victims to be real crimes, and "yourself" isn't a valid victim. Ergo, most drug offenses aren't *offensive to me *at all.If blacks were still going to jail at 4x the rate of the white population even when drug convictions were thrown out (which they may well be), I'd be pretty curious about the underlying causes of that.
On the other hand, if the data were to show that black people are in jail because they know the cheapest way to get free rent, meals, and cable TV for a few years is to be caught carrying weed, should I be mad at them, or should i be mad at the stupid laws/enforcement in this country?
So, what they did (and to who) matters a lot if you are trying to draw some useful conclusion from this [which is kind of a questionable goal to begin with]
And it's all intellectual rather than pragmatic anyway: the fact that 8% of the black population is currently in jail doesn't tell you anything about the black guy infront of you -- he may have already done time and got let out and is just itching to find someone to victimize so he can get a ticket back in, or he may be so good that he never gets caught, or he could be like the overwhelming majority of blacks that simply don't commit serious crimes.
So they carry a bag of weed to go to jail for the free food, housing, and whatever else they get. They are still part of that "lowlife scumbag" section of the blacks that I have no problem calling a nigger.
Worthless, lowlife, scumbags = niggers
Hard working, college education = Well deserved personThe point that all this is making is that if you are that big of a lowlife to go to jail for the free services instead of working hard, getting an education, and doing this country good, you have no right to be here. Get the fuck out. Same goes for the white people. If your a useless waste of space that just costs the gov't money to keep your ass alive, you should be shot.
imo "nigger" is not a word used to hate on ALL the blacks as it was back in the days of slavery.
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what's the special word I should use for white people who don't go to college? Because there are more of them than there are black people who don't go to college.
I'm actually not someone who gets butthurt about using the word nigger, and always got a chuckle when black kids at school referred to me that way. But I would like to know what the obsession is with classifying black people into two groups and reserving "the word" for one of them.
Since the word has a magical power to upset people, I like it and the butt-hurt power it holds, but I can't say that it has any real non-imflammatory purpose. If I'm understanding you right, you're trying to defend the use of the word because there are so many worthless black people that they need their own special word to describe them.
So I repeat my question: can you tell me what word I should use to describe the worthless members of the white race that has the magical 0-to-irrational power of "nigger"? Because if we're playing numbers, I ought to be using the "worthless whites" word alot more than the well used "worthless blacks" one...
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Rexwagon;288693 wrote:
Most people in Ireland are white.God damn, some of you have no reading comprehension at all. It is not about the statistics of how many/percentages/whatever, it is that you hate black people because they do these things, yet I see white people doing the same or worse every day, and it is ok, because the percentage of whites is much higher??
I have lived in St. Paul and been to many predominately black neighborhoods, some in the bad parts of town, and never ever had as much of a problem as I do very regularly with whites in the area I live now. RACE IS NOT THE PROBLEM OR CAUSING FACTOR.
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thrash;288698 wrote:
what's the special word I should use for white people who don't go to college? Because there are more of them than there are black people who don't go to college.I'm actually not someone who gets butthurt about using the word nigger, and always got a chuckle when black kids at school referred to me that way. But I would like to know what the obsession is with classifying black people into two groups and reserving "the word" for one of them.
Since the word has a magical power to upset people, I like it and the butt-hurt power it holds, but I can't say that it has any real non-imflammatory purpose. If I'm understanding you right, you're trying to defend the use of the word because there are so many worthless black people that they need their own special word to describe them.
So I repeat my question: can you tell me what word I should use to describe the worthless members of the white race that has the magical 0-to-irrational power of "nigger"? Because if we're playing numbers, I ought to be using the "worthless whites" word alot more than the well used "worthless blacks" one...
Why would you have to use the "worthless whites" word a lot more? The stats prove that there are more blacks PER CAPITA who are involved in crime.
I use the word because it is a derogatory (sp?) word that belittles them. And that is exactly what they deserve if they are going to be useless piles of trash in our society. As for teh whites who are useless piles of trash.. use whatever word you see fit. I don't care. Scumbag, cracker, honkey, etc.
Bottom line:
There are more blacks in the prison system than there are whites. Am I correct?Who cares how they got there, who cares who is roaming the streets who haven't been caught. Bottom line is there are more blacks in the prison system than there are whites.
Which is why they are so hated upon. They wrecked it not only for themselves, but for the innocent blacks who actually work hard in life to make a name for themselves. I'll say straight up, I'm sorry for those guys and I have a huge amount of respect for them for dealing with all the bullshit that they have to deal with being black. Just shows how strong of a person they are. But those who are just fuckup's are exactly that.
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Link;288702 wrote:
Bottom line:
There are more blacks in the prison system than there are whites. Am I correct?No, according to what i found, 44.4% of inmates are white, 38.6% black, 15.2% hispanic, and 1.8% other.
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inspector01;288700 wrote:
God damn, some of you have no reading comprehension at all. It is not about the statistics of how many/percentages/whatever, it is that you hate black people because they do these things, yet I see white people doing the same or worse every day, and it is ok, because the percentage of whites is much higher??I have lived in St. Paul and been to many predominately black neighborhoods, some in the bad parts of town, and never ever had as much of a problem as I do very regularly with whites in the area I live now. RACE IS NOT THE PROBLEM OR CAUSING FACTOR.
your white. chill out.
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Rexwagon;288707 wrote:
You're white. Chill out.Fixt for ya.
Sorry, forgot that Im the chosen race, so I'm perfect.....
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Link;288702 wrote:
Bottom line:
There are more blacks in the prison system than there are whites. Am I correct?No, you are incorrect. There are more white people in the prison system.
White people get incarcerated at a lower rate, but there are a lot more of them.
How do you determine if someone is worthwhile or not? Someone who is college educated is clearly "worthwhile", someone who goes to prison for any reason at all clearly is not. What about the people inbetween? What about college educated prisoners that used to work hard before being put in jail? Are they $(derogatory word goes here) or not?
What percentage of a population needs to be worth hating in order to get a special word capturing how much you hate them?
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Link;288702 wrote:
Why would you have to use the "worthless whites" word a lot more? The stats prove that there are more blacks PER CAPITA who are involved in crime.Because you don't say a word based on per capita data. Just because theres a higher number per capita, doesn't mean there IS a higher number aka bottomline there are WAY more white people that are lowlifes than blacks...and here comes the connection, see if you can follow: Because there are more white lowlifes, he would use the word MORE often...
Plus, the prisons stats don't display how much racism there really is in the convictions/accusations...especially in the south...
Also, what if someone goes to college, gets a degree, then gets introuble for something and goes to jail...is he a "nigger" just because he was black and ended up going to jail/prison for something he may or may not have done?? Just because someone goes to college, doesn't make them "worthwhile". That argument is about as shallow as you are...
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"Of the 2.3 million inmates in custody, 2.1 million were men and 208,300 were women (table 9). Black males represented the largest percentage (35.4%) of inmates held in custody, followed by white males (32.9%) and Hispanic males (17.9%).
"Over a third (33.8%) of the total male custody population was ages 20 to 29 (appendix table 10). The largest percentage of black (35.5%) and Hispanic (39.9%) males held in custody were ages 20 to 29. White males ages 35 to 44 accounted for the largest percentage (30.1%) of the white male custody population.
"The largest percentage (35.9%) of the female custody population was ages 30 to 39. Over a third of white females (35.9%) were ages 30 and 39. The largest percentage (36.8%) of Hispanic females in custody was ages 20 to 29."Source: Sabol, William J., PhD, and Couture, Heather, Prisoners at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 7.
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