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  • JoelJ Offline
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    Joel
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    Finally got my first ticket for yellow headlights. Ticket was given to me by a young Moorhead Cop, N Wiedenmeyer. I figured I'de look up the law and found some pretty legit stuff, just wondering what you guys can make of this.

    Ticket was for Statue/Ordinance 169.64.2 - COLORED LIGHTS

    From MN.GOV...

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/getpub.php?pubtype=STAT_CHAP&year=2006&section=169#stat.169.64.0

    169.64 PROHIBITED LIGHTS; EXCEPTIONS.
    Subdivision 1. Bright light. Any lighted lamp or illuminating device upon a motor vehicle,
    other than a headlamp, a spot lamp, or an auxiliary driving lamp, which projects a beam of
    light of an intensity greater than 300-candle power, shall be so directed that no part of the beam
    will strike the level of the roadway on which the vehicle stands at a distance of more than 75
    feet from the vehicle.
    Subd. 2. Colored light. Unless otherwise authorized by the commissioner of public safety,
    no vehicle shall be equipped, nor shall any person drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon
    any highway with any lamp or device displaying a red light or any colored light other than those
    required or permitted in this chapter.
    Subd. 3. Flashing lights. Flashing lights are prohibited, except on an authorized emergency
    vehicle, school bus, bicycle as provided in section 169.222, subdivision 6, road maintenance
    equipment, tow truck or towing vehicle, service vehicle, farm tractor, self-propelled farm
    equipment, rural mail carrier vehicle, funeral home vehicle, or on any vehicle as a means of
    indicating a right or left turn, or the presence of a vehicular traffic hazard requiring unusual care
    in approaching, overtaking, or passing. All flashing warning lights shall be of the type authorized
    by section 169.59, subdivision 4, unless otherwise permitted or required in this chapter.
    Subd. 4. Blue light. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) to (d), blue lights are prohibited
    on all vehicles except road maintenance equipment and snow removal equipment operated by or
    under contract to the state or a political subdivision thereof.
    (b) Authorized emergency vehicles may display flashing blue lights to the rear of the vehicle
    as a warning signal in combination with other lights permitted or required by this chapter.
    In addition, authorized emergency vehicles may display, mounted on the passenger side only,
    flashing blue lights to the front of the vehicle as a warning signal in combination with other
    lights permitted or required by this chapter.
    (c) A motorcycle may display a blue light of up to one-inch diameter as part of the
    motorcycle's rear brake light.
    (d) A motor vehicle may display a blue light of up to one-inch diameter as part of the
    vehicle's rear brake light if:
    (1) the vehicle is a collector vehicle, as described in section 168.10; or
    (2) the vehicle is eligible to display a collector plate under section 168.10.
    Subd. 5. Flashing light on tow truck. A tow truck or towing vehicle must be equipped with
    flashing or intermittent red and amber lights of a type approved by the commissioner of public
    safety. The lights must be placed on the dome of the vehicle at the highest practicable point
    visible from a distance of 500 feet. The flashing red light must be displayed only when the tow
    truck or towing vehicle is engaged in emergency service on or near the traveled portion of a
    highway. The flashing amber light may be displayed when the tow truck or towing vehicle is
    moving a disabled vehicle.
    Subd. 6. Flashing amber light. (a) Any service vehicle may be equipped with a flashing
    amber lamp of a type approved by the commissioner of public safety.
    (b) A service vehicle shall not display the lighted lamp authorized under paragraph (a) when
    traveling upon the highway or at any other time except at the scene of a disabled vehicle or while
    engaged in snow removal or road maintenance.
    (c) A self-propelled implement of husbandry may display the lighted lamp authorized under
    paragraph (a) at any time.
    Subd. 7.[Repealed, 1991 c 277 s 18]
    Subd. 8. Strobe lamp. (a) Notwithstanding sections 169.55, subdivision 1; 169.57,
    subdivision 3 , paragraph (b); or any other law to the contrary, a vehicle may be equipped with a
    360-degree flashing strobe lamp that emits a white light with a flash rate of 60 to 120 flashes a
    minute, and the lamp may be used as provided in this subdivision, if the vehicle is:
    (1) a school bus that is subject to and complies with the equipment requirements of sections
    169.441, subdivision 1, and 169.442, subdivision 1, or a Head Start bus that is not a type III bus
    as defined in section 169.01, subdivision 6. The lamp shall be permanently mounted on the
    longitudinal centerline of the bus roof not less than two feet nor more than seven feet forward
    of the rear roof edge. It shall operate from a separate switch containing an indicator lamp to
    show when the strobe lamp is in use. The strobe lamp may be lighted only when atmospheric
    conditions or terrain restrict the visibility of school bus lamps and signals or Head Start bus lamps
    and signals so as to require use of the bright strobe lamp to alert motorists to the presence of the
    school bus or Head Start bus. A strobe lamp may not be lighted unless the school bus or Head
    Start bus is actually being used as a school bus or Head Start bus; or
    (2) a road maintenance vehicle owned or under contract to the Department of Transportation
    or a road authority of a county, home rule or statutory city, or town, but the strobe lamp may only
    be operated while the vehicle is actually engaged in snow removal during daylight hours.
    (b) Notwithstanding sections 169.55, subdivision 1; 169.57, subdivision 3, paragraph (b); or
    any other law to the contrary, a vehicle may be equipped with a 360-degree flashing strobe lamp
    that emits an amber light with a flash rate of 60 to 120 flashes a minute, and the lamp may be
    used as provided in this subdivision, if the vehicle is a rural mail carrier vehicle, provided that the
    strobe lamp is mounted at the highest practicable point on the vehicle. The strobe lamp may only
    be operated while the vehicle is actually engaged during daylight hours in the delivery of mail
    to residents on a rural mail route.
    (c) A strobe lamp authorized by this section shall be of a double flash type certified to the
    commissioner of public safety by the manufacturer as being weatherproof and having a minimum
    effective light output of 200 candelas as measured by the Blondel-Rey formula.
    Subd. 9. Warning lamp on vehicles collecting solid waste. A vehicle used to collect solid
    waste may be equipped with a single amber gaseous discharge warning lamp that meets the
    Society of Automotive Engineers standard J 1318, Class 2. The lamp may be operated only when
    the collection vehicle is in the process of collecting solid waste and is either:
    (1) stopped at an establishment where solid waste is to be collected; or
    (2) traveling at a speed that is at least ten miles per hour below the posted speed limit and
    moving between establishments where solid waste is to be collected.
    Subd. 10. Cover for lamp or reflector. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), it is
    prohibited for any person to:
    (1) equip a motor vehicle with any equipment or material that covers a headlamp, taillamp,
    or reflector; or
    (2) operate a motor vehicle fitted with or otherwise having equipment or material that covers
    a headlamp, taillamp, or reflector.
    (b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to:
    (1) any manufacturer's original equipment or material;
    (2) any equipment or material that is clear and colorless; or
    (3) the covering for auxiliary lights required under section 169.56.
    **History: **(2720-250) 1937 c 464 s 100; 1947 c 428 s 29; 1949 c 90 s 3; 1953 c 103 s 1; 1959
    c 521 s 10; 1971 c 53 s 1; 1971 c 491 s 19,20; 1976 c 104 s 2,3; 1981 c 191 s 5; 1991 c 112 s
    3,5; 1991 c 339 s 7; 1992 c 464 art 2 s 1; 1993 c 187 s 9; 1993 c 281 s 6; 1993 c 326 art 4 s 3;
    1994 c 478 s 2,3; 1994 c 603 s 13; 1994 c 635 art 1 s 13; 1994 c 647 art 12 s 28; 1995 c 120 s 1;
    1999 c 35 s 1; 2000 c 293 s 1; 2002 c 316 s 2; 2003 c 49 s 1

    I am going to fight it, just curious if anyone thinks I'm going to win.

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    • Bp-08B Offline
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      Bp-08
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      #2

      yellow is a color

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        Trafik Jamz
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        I see nothing in there prohibiting the use of amber headlights, other than the part that says "nor shall any person drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon
        any highway with any lamp or device displaying a red light or any colored light other than those
        required or permitted in this chapter
        ."

        I'd argue that any old sealed beam incandescent headlights (non-HID or Halogen) will emit a yellowish light when on. Also, since "white" light is a combination of ALL colors in the light spectrum, it is physically impossible to drive with any lights on that are not emitting colors.

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        • JoelJ Offline
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          Joel
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          #4

          Bp-08;297224 wrote:
          yellow is a color
          Subd. 2. Colored light. Unless otherwise authorized by the commissioner of public safety,
          no vehicle shall be equipped, nor shall any person drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon
          any highway with any lamp or device displaying a red light or any colored light other than those
          required or permitted in this chapter.

          Where does it say that yellow is not permitted? It says Red, Blue and strobe lights.

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          • NickBN Offline
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            NickB
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            Your yellow headlights are annoying fyi


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            • Bp-08B Offline
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              Bp-08
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              Joel;297226 wrote:
              Subd. 2. Colored light. Unless otherwise authorized by the commissioner of public safety,
              no vehicle shall be equipped, nor shall any person drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon
              any highway with any lamp or device displaying a red light or any colored light other than those
              required or permitted in this chapter.

              Where does it say that yellow is not permitted? It says Red, Blue and strobe lights.

              Where does it say its permitted? It doesnt say brown lights are not permitted does that mean they are legal?

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              • JoelJ Offline
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                Joel
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                NickB;297227 wrote:
                Your yellow headlights are annoying fyi
                They work well in the winter, and they have that sweet ricer affect.

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                • JoelJ Offline
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                  Joel
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                  Bp-08;297228 wrote:
                  Where does it say its permitted? It doesnt say brown lights are not permitted does that mean they are legal?
                  Where does it say that White headlights are permited, or HID(blue, purple, etc)s are permitted. Its an arguable subject, which is why I am going to fight it.

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                    Joel;297230 wrote:
                    Where does it say that White headlights are permited, or HID(blue, purple, etc)s are permitted. Its an arguable subject, which is why I am going to fight it.

                    DOT approved, your not going to win this

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                    • JoelJ Offline
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                      Joel
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                      Bp-08;297232 wrote:
                      DOT approved, your not going to win this
                      DOT approved what? what is DOT approved.

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                        zbrown
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                        Does the light housing just have to be DOT approved or the actual light bulb itself aswell?

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                        • JoelJ Offline
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                          Joel
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                          zbrown;297234 wrote:
                          Does the light housing just have to be DOT approved or the actual light bulb itself aswell?
                          It doesn't specify, thats what pisses me off. All these laws were probably written during sealed beam days...

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                            DrifterExtreme
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                            Ok, idk about moorhead. but it's well known in fargo that there legal, laways have been and the fargo attorney made note of it. Because ALL yellow headlight tickets were overturned when an officer was presented with them and explained there purpose.

                            So... Good luck fighting it.

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                              Parker
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                              Were you on a highway? What is the city's law in regard to this?

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                              • JoelJ Offline
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                                Joel
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                                Wikipedia wrote:
                                The best known way to generate white light is by the process called incandescence, by a black body at various relatively-high temperatures. For example, the color of a black body at a temperature of 2,848 kelvin matches that produced by domestic incandescent light bulbs. It is said that the color temperature of such a light bulb is 2,848 K.[who?] The white light used in theatre illumination has a color temperature of about 3,200 K. Daylight can vary from a cool red up to a bluish 5,600 K. Not all black body radiation can be considered white light: the background radiation of the universe, to name an extreme example, is only a few kelvin and is quite invisible.

                                Maybe Chucks onto something. My headlights are 2500 Kelvin.

                                Parker;297238 wrote:
                                Were you on a highway? What is the city's law in regard to this?
                                I was on 8th, so technically it was Highway 75...

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                                    Joel;297226 wrote:
                                    Subd. 2. Colored light. Unless otherwise authorized by the commissioner of public safety,
                                    no vehicle shall be equipped, nor shall any person drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon
                                    any highway with any lamp or device displaying a red light or any colored light other than those
                                    required or permitted in this chapter.

                                    Where does it say that yellow is not permitted? It says Red, Blue and strobe lights.

                                    A durrrrr

                                    "device displaying a red light or any colored light other than those required or permitted"

                                    Uhhhhhh is yellow a color? I tinkss so 🙂

                                    Id still fight it, just sayin! haha

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                                    • JoelJ Offline
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                                      Joel
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                                      Eurofan;297242 wrote:
                                      A durrrrr

                                      "device displaying a red light or any colored light other than those required or permitted"

                                      Uhhhhhh is yellow a color? I tinkss so 🙂

                                      Id still fight it, just sayin! haha

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                                        well if your yellow lights are HIDs then they are illegal and i wouldn't try to fight it then but if they are hallogens then i would say fight it using some sources about how the visible light spectrum goes from yellow (most visible) all the way to a purple blue (least visible)....i think yellow fogs are great but not for headlights they are annoying....i have seen 3-4 cars around here with all yellow and i hate it you look like a safety nut not to mention ricey

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                                          I'd say fight it.. you'd be out what, a few minutes of your time... Just try to think of a really good argument, shouldnt be too hard the wording is so vague, since it doesn't clearly state yellow lights are prohibited... You probably could just say it doesn't say it anywhere's...

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