Political thread 2011
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What makes you put Cain below Newt?> Trafik Jamz;325275 wrote:
Of them, in the order of preference from me:
Ron Paul
Mitt Romney
Rick Perry
Jon Huntsman/Rick Santorum
Newt Gingrich
Herman Cain
Obama
Virtually anyone (almost tied with Obama, but then I realized virtually anyone could mean Pelosi or Satan....not that there is much difference between the two)
Michele BachmanDaveH
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PSiedTSi;325276 wrote:
Kind of like Kerry/Bush IMO. I didn't vote that year lolvoted for myself that year, because once my name was on there, I was the best candidate on the ballot.
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DaveH;325280 wrote:
What makes you put Cain below Newt?That one could have gone either way I guess. I don't like Cain, gut instinct tells me he'd rather be a pundit than a president. Why do I say this? Because he's not campaigning in Iowa worth a shit, he hasn't done the ground work necessary there. I really think it's about selling books and becoming the next Sarah Palin.
Now, I don't like Newt all that much either, but I don't dislike him as much as I dislike Cain.
I really think the only two candidates that have a shot at beating Obama are Mitt Romney (the likely choice) or Ron Paul (the extremely unlikely candidate).
Of the Democrats that I know that I've talked to about this election, most are willing to look at a Republican candidate, and almost unanimously they would prefer Ron Paul over the rest of the field. It's too bad that the left AND right wing media don't give the guy shit for airtime during debates.
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DaveH;325285 wrote:
Two people actually THINK that Ron Paul will be the next president? Wow.Out the current field he SHOULD be POTUS, however, the likelihood of that happening is near zero.
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Bassplayer;325288 wrote:
Out the current field he SHOULD be POTUS, however, the likelihood of that happening is near zero.Yeah, but that isn't what the poll asked. It asked who they thought would be president, not who should be.
And yeah, it is kinda like Bush vs. Kerry in 04, and I can see the incumbent retaining power because of the "devil you know vs the devil you don't know" mentality.
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I think cain might get the nomination because people are flocking to him. Look at his resume, it is huge. Plus hes a cancer survivor so lots of the average american flocks towards all of his ackolades. then they will find out hes black, lol.
I am waiting. i dont know who I will vote for but it isnt going to be obama, or any other black person. So hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Rexwagon;325301 wrote:
I think cain might get the nomination because people are flocking to him. Look at his resume, it is huge. Plus hes a cancer survivor so lots of the average american flocks towards all of his ackolades. then they will find out hes black, lol.I am waiting. i dont know who I will vote for but it isnt going to be obama, or any other black person or minority. So hmmmmmmmmmmm
You almost seemed intelligent until you let your ignorance shine brightly in that last sentence...
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I don't think it's fair to say that Cain is the next Palin...
The man is gaining too much steam, and he isn't playing second fiddle to anyone....John McCain was a contender, and Sarah Palin got thrown into it as a complement to his campaign (and I think she inadvertantly scuttled it) and that package wasn't enough to grab the Independent/middle spectrum vote from Obama.
Herman Cain has already stated that he has no interest in being a VP to one of his competitors. He has a solid economic plan, which is the key ingredient to this election. I will call it now...if he wins the primaries, he will win the Presidency. Obama ending the wars will not be enough...he has to put people back to work, and he cannot accomplish it because of his arrogance and unwillingness to compromise. Obama's legacy will ride on the fact that Osama Bin Laden was killed while he was in office, and that's about where it will end.
-Peter
1991 240SX
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Bassplayer;325313 wrote:
You almost seemed intelligent until you let your ignorance shine brightly in that last sentence...+1
not everyone is a racist bigot like you. Why the fuck would it matter if they were a minority or not? If they held ideals that were consistent with yours, had a good economic plan and all the other credentials that define a good candidate... you wouldn't vote for them because he/she is black/hispanic/(insert race here)??? That is fucked up beyond belief the same way that it is fucked up when people vote for people that are minorities just because they like the idea of a minority in the oval office.
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Afsil80;325320 wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that Cain is the next Palin...The man is gaining too much steam, and he isn't playing second fiddle to anyone....John McCain was a contender, and Sarah Palin got thrown into it as a complement to his campaign (and I think she inadvertantly scuttled it) and that package wasn't enough to grab the Independent/middle spectrum vote from Obama.
Herman Cain has already stated that he has no interest in being a VP to one of his competitors. He has a solid economic plan, which is the key ingredient to this election. I will call it now...if he wins the primaries, he will win the Presidency. Obama ending the wars will not be enough...he has to put people back to work, and he cannot accomplish it because of his arrogance and unwillingness to compromise. Obama's legacy will ride on the fact that Osama Bin Laden was killed while he was in office, and that's about where it will end.
He's more intelligent than Palin, but then again so is the lint in my pocket.
Otherwise I agree with Jim. It's all about publicity and selling books for him IMHO. By being at the forefront of the GOP race he can now command higher appearance fees when he speaks.
His economic plan is far from solid and does little to encourage growth since the incentive is to save vs spend. It's affect on the lowest wage earners in this country will be devastating as everything that you buy will now be 9% more expensive due to sales tax. It also lacks the ability to even come close meeting our current spending needs (which need to be cut, but will never get to the point where his tax would be feasible during his potential 8 years as president). Plus he'd never get the votes to pass it, even with a republican super majority.
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i wanna vote for the dang cabinet. almost as important is the guy in office imo.
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Trafik Jamz;325325 wrote:
He's more intelligent than Palin, but then again so is the lint in my pocket.Otherwise I agree with Jim. It's all about publicity and selling books for him IMHO. By being at the forefront of the GOP race he can now command higher appearance fees when he speaks.
His economic plan is far from solid and does little to encourage growth since the incentive is to save vs spend. It's affect on the lowest wage earners in this country will be devastating as everything that you buy will now be 9% more expensive due to sales tax. It also lacks the ability to even come close meeting our current spending needs (which need to be cut, but will never get to the point where his tax would be feasible during his potential 8 years as president). Plus he'd never get the votes to pass it, even with a republican super majority.
Right with you chuck...
His fee's went from 25,000 to 75,000 in the past two months and he continues to book speaking events rather then campaign in key primary states (does that really sound like a viable canididate to you?).
His tax plan went from 9-9-9 to 9-0-9 but really, who wants a state AND federal sales tax?
And Yes dave, I'll take some of those mints. He's pretty much let me down on every issue I cared about.
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I could be wrong too, but based on the way his campaign as being portrayed as disorganized and unfocused in the early primary states I have a hard time seeing him surviving past the first couple of primaries. My opinion: 5 minutes of fame left out of his initial 15
That and I think that Cain flip-flops worse than Kerry.
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DaveH;325329 wrote:
I disagree with you guys about Cain. I could be wrong, but I don't think he gives a rats about making more money. He's worth about $5 mil already, the speaking fees are chump change.I'd agree that the speaking fee's are chump change, but he is hawking a book and some other stuff too that potentially is a lot more then 75k here and there.
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Trafik Jamz;325330 wrote:
I could be wrong too, but based on the way his campaign as being portrayed as disorganized and unfocused in the early primary states I have a hard time seeing him surviving past the first couple of primaries. My opinion: 5 minutes of fame left out of his initial 15I'm not sure what to think about the guy. Either he's a genius and is changing the way a winning campaign is done... or, he needs to hire someone that knows how to run a campaign.
DaveH
'94 Supra- 7.77 @ 176mph
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