3 1/2 Days to Grow Up
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I'm going with christian who has actually read the teachings of the bible.
Or libertarian.
Definitely not muslim or dumbass though.
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A FOUNDATION:
Mark 4:9
Then Jesus said “He who has ears let him hear.”John 8:47
“He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”John 10:14-17
“I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me- (just as the Father knows me and I know the Father)- and I lay my life down for the sheep. The reason the Father loves me is that I lay down my life -only to take it up again.”John 5:24
“I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned. He has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out . Those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing. I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who I sent me.”John 7:16-18
Jesus answered “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth, there is nothing false about him.”Luke 12:4-12
“I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that CAN DO NO MORE. But I will show you whom you SHOULD fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has the power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, FEAR HIM. Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. DO NOT be afraid, you ARE worth more than many sparrows.”“I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
“When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
LOVE FOR ENEMIES:
Luke 6:27-36
“But I tell you who hear me: LOVE your enemies. DO GOOD to those who hate you. BLESS those who curse you. PRAY for those that mistreat you.”(Then Jesus gives us a scenario) -> If someone strikes you on the cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
(people love to extract this last sentence out of context to support their own views)
(Now this next part is important here) “If you (only) love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. And if you do good to those who are (only) good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinner’s lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be paid in full.”(The Instruction) “But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back.”
(The Promise if we do so) “Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.”
(Another Instruction) “Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.”
Matthew 5:38-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, DO NOT resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to them the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.”“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: LOVE your enemies and PRAY for those that persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil AND the good, and sends rain on the righteous AND the unrighteous. If you love only those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if YOU greet only YOUR brothers, what are YOU doing more than others?! Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (If being perfect sounds too tough for you that’s because it is, but with God all things are possible.)
My fellow masterpieces of God (that’s you), there is SO much more on this in the Word of God. His instructions and expectations are clear. It is time to stop spewing things like YOU know them and turn toward home. Live in the word, and the word shall live in you.
(My Prayer for those reading this) Thank you lord for the opportunity to glorify you. I pray and thank you that those reading this would have their spiritual eyes opened, and they would be surrounded by and know your love and presence. I thank you that you will give them understanding, wisdom, and discernment. I thank you that you will move in their life in a way that will bring them back to you. In Christ Jesus name I pray AMEN!
Steven William Schulz
3202 Longfellow Rd. N
Fargo, ND 58102
(701)271-8121
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Rexwagon;325555 wrote:
thats way too much to read.dont go to extreme or anything
Your ignorant attitude you have now will mean eternal separation from God's love, otherwise known as hell. Please please please change your attitude. Heaven will be the best party you can imagine then take it to the power of infinity! And take it from a former addict, there is NOTHING that compares to his presence. NOTHING.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD8pZiRIzs
I'll leave this here for you gosh* damn hippies
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Sweet-WRX-Lovin;325554 wrote:
A FOUNDATION:Mark 4:9
Then Jesus said “He who has ears let him hear.”John 8:47
“He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”John 10:14-17
“I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me- (just as the Father knows me and I know the Father)- and I lay my life down for the sheep. The reason the Father loves me is that I lay down my life -only to take it up again.”John 5:24
“I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned. He has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out . Those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing. I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who I sent me.”John 7:16-18
Jesus answered “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth, there is nothing false about him.”Luke 12:4-12
“I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that CAN DO NO MORE. But I will show you whom you SHOULD fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has the power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, FEAR HIM. Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. DO NOT be afraid, you ARE worth more than many sparrows.”“I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
“When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
LOVE FOR ENEMIES:
Luke 6:27-36
“But I tell you who hear me: LOVE your enemies. DO GOOD to those who hate you. BLESS those who curse you. PRAY for those that mistreat you.”(Then Jesus gives us a scenario) -> If someone strikes you on the cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
(people love to extract this last sentence out of context to support their own views)
(Now this next part is important here) “If you (only) love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. And if you do good to those who are (only) good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinner’s lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be paid in full.”(The Instruction) “But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back.”
(The Promise if we do so) “Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.”
(Another Instruction) “Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.”
Matthew 5:38-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, DO NOT resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to them the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.”“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: LOVE your enemies and PRAY for those that persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil AND the good, and sends rain on the righteous AND the unrighteous. If you love only those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if YOU greet only YOUR brothers, what are YOU doing more than others?! Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (If being perfect sounds too tough for you that’s because it is, but with God all things are possible.)
My fellow masterpieces of God (that’s you), there is SO much more on this in the Word of God. His instructions and expectations are clear. It is time to stop spewing things like YOU know them and turn toward home. Live in the word, and the word shall live in you.
(My Prayer for those reading this) Thank you lord for the opportunity to glorify you. I pray and thank you that those reading this would have their spiritual eyes opened, and they would be surrounded by and know your love and presence. I thank you that you will give them understanding, wisdom, and discernment. I thank you that you will move in their life in a way that will bring them back to you. In Christ Jesus name I pray AMEN!
Steven William Schulz
3202 Longfellow Rd. N
Fargo, ND 58102
(701)271-8121
[email protected]So if someone came to you with the intent to take your life, would you not fight to defend yourself? This question isn't about anything else you said, only what the question asks itself.
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GarageAlchemist wrote:
So if someone came to you with the intent to take your life, would you not fight to defend yourself? This question isn't about anything else you said, only what the question asks itself.John 16:13-14 But when he, the Spirit of truth (the Holy Spirit), comes he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He WILL bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and MAKING IT KNOWN TO YOU.
I must have faith that whatever happens is of God and for his glory. If my flesh death brings others to him so that they may receive their eternal life then my life here would be a glorious one for the lord indeed: John 15:13-14 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. John 15:17 This is my command: Love each other.
So if it is to his greater glory that I live or die it doesn't matter to me. This life is a momentary light affliction compared to the rest of eternal life.
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Rexwagon;325564 wrote:
U must be one of those weirdos that goes door to door telling everyone you know how to save their soul. fucken weirdoGod Bless you Rex, and yes I do know how. I have the instruction manual on it, do you?
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Going to play advocate here:
I am quite glad that people like you weren't running our country in 1941. If they head, all of Europe would speak German, all of Asia would speak Japanese, and the US would be alone as a free country.
For you to sit and denounce war is hypocritical, at best. You live in a country that was built on war. You have because of the strong taking from the weak. Don't believe me? It was all obtained through peace? War brought this country out of a depression, you don't like our recession? You haven't seen shit compared to a depression. Because we fought and WON, that's right, BEAT the axis powers in WW2, our country was able to enjoy a period of economic prosperity that the world has never known. And because we chose to fight the war while it was still on someone elses soil, our infrastructure was left intact after the war, and we didn't need to go through a 10 year rebuilding period, allowing US, to become a world superpower.
Our country was taken from a people who, at least in war, were weaker than those who did the taking. So the land you walk on every day was stolen, strong from weak.
Even at its most basic level, other than the last 100 years, life has been about survival of the fittest. Disease comes along, (plague, spanish flu, etc) it wipes out the weak, strong survive. War comes along, and even at the one on one, hand to hand level, those that are strongest and best trained survive, while their opponents perish.
All that stuff is secular, i get that, i just wanted you to know that even for you to drive that WRX that you so sweetly love, someone had to fight and kill someone else, and for you to dispute that is just silly. To say that you would be able to live the life you have now without the act of someone fighting and killing someone else is silly. If there were not people (past, present, and future) that were willing to defend you and our country (and do the best job of it), someone would inevitably take what YOU have (just ask the native americans).
On a more religious note. You threw out a ton of bible verses saying how we should be tolerant and "give them the other cheek", and i don't doubt their validity, there is a time and place for that for sure, and 99% of the time, that would be the best solution. I also believe that if we were to always turn the other cheek, when we arrive at "st. peter's gate" we would be laughed at. Are there not times that the weak are unable to defend themselves? Are there not times that the only language an aggressor understands is threat of death? For us to stand idly by, and not defend the GOD GIVEN RIGHT for all people to be free, is just as much of a sin as killing in defense of that right. It is our duty as the strong, to protect those who are unable to do so themselves. No this doesn't mean warmongering all over the Earth and all that jazz, which i'm sure you'll turn it into. For you to say that you would not defend yourself from someone that would seek to take your life, and the lives of your family, is to forsake the gift of the life that God gave you.
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Also friend, you may want to look up the verses where it tells you to pray in a room, with the door shut, as to not bring attention to yourself. I'm all for spreading the love, but you are being a bit pushy, and that tends to push people AWAY from God, not towards it. It is much more meaningful, and long lasting if someone seeks Him, and you are there, prepared and ready to guide them, rather than PUSHING them towards Him. Take it from someone who had it crammed down their throat for years, it is more rewarding and fulfilling to look for the answer and find Him, than to have the answer just given to you.
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GarageAlchemist;325568 wrote:
Also friend, you may want to look up the verses where it tells you to pray in a room, with the door shut, as to not bring attention to yourself. I'm all for spreading the love, but you are being a bit pushy, and that tends to push people AWAY from God, not towards it. It is much more meaningful, and long lasting if someone seeks Him, and you are there, prepared and ready to guide them, rather than PUSHING them towards Him. Take it from someone who had it crammed down their throat for years, it is more rewarding and fulfilling to look for the answer and find Him, than to have the answer just given to you.In fairness though, the bible also states that you should go out and spread the word of the Lord. I understand what you are saying however, that most people are turned off by hearing the word of God "forced" upon them.
My instinct when I see/hear someone pushing their views on my is very similar to what you described, yet I go to church on most Sundays because I want to know more. I know that church going isn't the "trendy" thing to do and I know that some of my friends/peers/acquaintances think me foolish for attending. Ultimately, I don't care what they think. At this point in time I consider myself a believer in God, but not necessarily a Christian. The lifestyle choices I make daily make it hard for me to label myself as such, and by doing so would make me a hypocrite.
As for Steve (Sweet-WRX-Lovin) he has been a good friend of mine for close to 20 years. For those that know him, this sudden change in him may come as a bit of a shock, but I STRONGLY believe that the changes he has made are for his overall good, even if he is a little bit pushy on here with his beliefs. I don't think he made those posts to try and convert anyone really, but rather to have a solid foundation on which to confirm his reasoning. Kind of a "I don't agree with it, and this is why" mentality. Some people ridiculed him for it, to the point of claiming he was of a different religious sect. He took offense to it and responded in kind, yet never once resorted to name calling.
And Steve, I'd suggest reading this as well as it relates to wars among nations/kingdoms. http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=219 I'd copy/paste the article but I'm sure I'll already get a TLDR from most of the members on here.
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i didn't call him names did I? if i did i didn't mean to...
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First off this is burning in me so here it is: Matthew 28:20 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him, but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore GO and MAKE disciples of ALL nations. Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and TEACHING THEM to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
I believe you are confusing Matthew verses a bit, lets start at chapter 6. "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven." (Now this verse by itself seems to confirm what you are saying, but aha, here comes that next verse that puts it into context...) "So when you GIVE TO THE NEEDY, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored BY MEN. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. BUT (<-this is a big but) when YOU give to the needy (as a follower of Christ) do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing so that your giving may be in secret. (why?) Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward YOU. (what he is saying is give to the needy without seeking the attention and rewards of men and seek the attention and rewards of God)
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when YOU pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward YOU.
Now this does not say you can only pray in your room with the door closed, but it is saying do not pray for the recognition of man.
Does this clear up anything for you?
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Haha, yes it does. You and I just choose different ways to express our faith. I have observed, and been in the category that when you try and MAKE someone a disciple, they tend to resist, this is especially true of Americans who tend to push against authority...
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GarageAlchemist;325573 wrote:
Haha, yes it does. You and I just choose different ways to express our faith. I have observed, and been in the category that when you try and MAKE someone a disciple, they tend to resist, this is especially true of Americans who tend to push against authority...You are right, we as humans cannot make each other become disciples. We only plant seeds, good and bad (examples: saying good morning cheerfully to the co-worker who hates you versus pissing in their coffee when they are not looking), all the time (the world refers to this as karma, "what comes around goes around"). It is then the work of the Holy Spirit to act on those seeds, and on the individual to CHOSE to come back to the Lord. As you know that is what our God wants, those that have made the choice out of their own free will.
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There are only 2 forces that have ever been willing to give their life for you, an American Soldier and Jesus.
Jesus save's your soul and the American Soldier gives you freedom. ----Unknowndo you attend that church over off 25th st and the ambulance building?
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