New to Fargo Argument
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tjamz wrote:
A. Yes, you have accessport, which is very handy but not self tunable. You need to download maps off the internet and can't tweak/modify anything specific for your setup/elevation/vehicle/fuel grade/etc. Yes, that setup is good for 224 whp (at least according to Cobb on THEIR dyno)B. I think you've been reading cardomain too much (another big gripe of mine, damn people lie about their HP on that site). Show me a 500 whp wrx on the stock ej20 block (internals can be upgraded, thats fine, block still won't hold up.)
C. The other thing you need to factor in is the price of Honda parts vs. Subaru parts. I'm willing to bet you can get more parts for the money if you buy honda parts.
D. Both. Its been done before. Haven't you auto-x'd your gsr Nick? (I might be wrong there about Nick autocrossing.) Even if he (nick) hasn't I've seen GSR's at both type of events and their owners have indicated that they do both.
E. Please send me a link of someone (anyone) who has a dyno chart to prove that they have gone 500whp in a wrx w/ a USDM EJ20 (preferably on a Dynojet or Mustang Dyno.) 500whp in a EJ25 is hard enough to do while still being safe. I would think that TXS/Vishnu/Element Tuning/Cobb/APS/Easy Street or someone would have one on their site if there were LOTS of them out there.
A. AccessTuner just came out that allows you to reprogram the Stock ECU to fix those little details.
B. Cardomain is not my style...cause people lie about everything on there...your right. I agree about the stock block and internals. The civic I was talking about doesn't have a stock block or internals either. I'm not talking about stock internals or bottom end for the wrx. EJ22 blocks with fully closed decks will hold more boost and they are just about free in junk yards.
C. Honda or Subaru parts are not that much different in price when you are buying aftermarket parts. That is unless you are attempting to get them from japan...then your screwed with Subaru...I don't know about honda. I have seen many different turbos in Subarus...not just the ones that are drop in replacements. So price...I don't know about that one....I will give you that arguement that honda aftermarket parts are very plentiful in this country.
D. Without changing tires or suspension settings? I find that hard to believe...at least hard to believe they did well at one of them. Most of those 500 hp club guys have to run slicks which barely leave any room for the suspension to move...and the rear is usually set fully stiff...hmm...sounds like problems on the autoX track.
E. Most of the WRX's that make big numbers are over in Australia. That's because they have been popular over there as tuner cars for many years and they are relatively new here. Here is a quote from turbo magazine that helps explain what I am talking about. Some of the sites have dyno sheets on them.
"Tony Rigoli Performance has power tuned a number of mean Impreza WRXs in its native Australia, generating numbers like 551, 521 and 499 whp on strictly street-going versions. So the ESX package has a stout engine program behind it."
http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0301tur_ej20/Tony Rigoli Performance tuned 542 whp wagon at
http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/466hpwrx.html
Old school body...same engine as new age wrx521 whp on dyno at
http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/mrwrx.html
not street drivable...but still over 500whpOf course ESX tuned by Tony...505 whp
http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/esx_wrx.htmlEx Vi Termini 300kw WRX GC8 flavor
http://www.exvitermini.com/gc8specs.htm
Vid 300kw
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No one is going to get a skyline around here so that is solved. Evos on average are faster than STi's in the quarter and if i remember correctly there is a 2g running in the 8's just like the WRX. All in all Tjamz is a pimp and Mcadam is not..........Game Over
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Ok, now that we've both agreed that the USDM EJ20 will break unless you sleeve it or swap it to the EJ22 we're fine. The way you worded it before sounded like you can take an EJ20 and bolt on a big turbo and supporting mods and get to 500 WHP. Swapping in an EJ22 is always the best route for huge power in a subaru, friggen motor is awesome and can handle insane amounts of boost.
To address the points that I think need addressing:
C. Disagree with you there. I've owned both and Honda parts are definately cheaper. The gap has closed a little though, not quite as bad as it was a couple years ago.
D. I change my tires and would change my suspension settings from Auto-x to Drags as well.
E. Thanks for the links. But those were not attained from an inertia dyno. Not trying to nit pick here and not taking away from any of those cars, but the same car on an inertia dyno would most likely not produce that high of numbers.
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What Skylines in Canada?
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toxshox wrote:
not for a wrx...take a look at www.cobbtuning.comStage 2
Package Includes: AccessPORT
COBB Turbo-Back Exhaust System
i have a wrx....
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Bad93ex wrote:
What Skylines in Canada?Yes, winnipeg has something like 20 of them according to some of the people at SCN.
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BTW I don't auto-x just due to the size of the turbo. I could if I wanted though.
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ok, for some reason I thought that I heard you have done so in the past...like a couple turbos ago...anyway, thanks for clarifying
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tjamz wrote:
ok, for some reason I thought that I heard you have done so in the past...like a couple turbos ago...anyway, thanks for clarifying
chuck your an asshole quit picking on toxshoxlol jk
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I auto-x'd my old DSM. Fuckin tank.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
I auto-x'd my old DSM. Fuckin tank.
You were once part of the darkside? -
I had em both at the same time. It was fun but I sold it for way too much money.
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It didn't break down on ya did it?
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My DSM locked an xfer case up about 90 miles from here south on the way to Sioux Falls, and went skidding @ 80 mph w/ all 4 wheels locked up.
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