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Stormwalker wrote:
You really, really, do not want that to happen. Right now, the governement does have some control over gas prices. If you owned a gas station, you could not set your gas price a dollar or two over the prices of the general market. Nor could you set it a dollar or two under the prices of the general market. The government has a light regulation on gas stations. If the government had full control, all it would take is some lobbying by some special interest tree hugging groups, and god knows what we would be paying for gas. With the existing price you pay already, you would be surprised how much of that is tax.yea.. a barrel is 4 bucks? turned straight into 74 by the time it hits us shores?
I am not exactly sure where I heard that number but it was on a newscast.
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to be fair, I was talking with a Tesoro station owner here in town last week. He informed me (and showed me the receipt) where he bought gas for $3.15 a gallon but was still selling at $3.00 per gallon because he accidentally bought during a surge in pricing but needed to sell the fuel anyway. So you can't really blame the station owners. He told me he makes on average $.10 per gallon.
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tjamz wrote:
to be fair, I was talking with a Tesoro station owner here in town last week. He informed me (and showed me the receipt) where he bought gas for $3.15 a gallon but was still selling at $3.00 per gallon because he accidentally bought during a surge in pricing but needed to sell the fuel anyway. So you can't really blame the station owners. He told me he makes on average $.10 per gallon.Gas Station owners should not be held responsible for anything. They still have to make their profit somehow.
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92BlackTT wrote:
yea.. a barrel is 4 bucks? turned straight into 74 by the time it hits us shores?I am not exactly sure where I heard that number but it was on a newscast.
Gas in Venezuala is $.15 gallon but we refuse to deal with that country yet we have no problem dealing with Communist China on all of our commodities...They say the leader of Venezuala is a ruthless dictator, but does anyone remember Tiananmen Square in 1989? Seems like typical right wing hypocracy to me. Tell me this, what the hell is Venezuala going to hurt but selling us fuel (yes, I know, we get a small amount from them, but they've offered much much more if we are willing to buy it). Same thing goes for Cuba. Not that we'd get much oil from them, but Castro isn't exactly a huge threat to our country, why don't we sell more goods to them? We sold/traded more commodities to Saddam Hussein during the 90's than we did with Fidel Castro.
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Stormwalker wrote:
You really, really, do not want that to happen... If the government had full control, all it would take is some lobbying by some special interest tree hugging groups, and god knows what we would be paying for gas...
i suppose i should have prefaced it with something like "in an optimal existence"
the idea is, we consume far more oil per capita than any other country, so that gives us some clout. with said clout, we should be bullying our way into lower prices. the us govt knows that they can't let gas go up over $4 or $5/gallon because of the way the nation works. if costs did go up that high, there would be a much larger difference between the upper class and everyone else. why? the public transit isn't exactly great here, so almost everyone needs to drive. with gasoline at $6-10/gallon, there would be a MASSIVE recession, and our consumer driven economy would fall on it's face because no one would be able to buy anything anymore (very nearly anyway). i could spend more time on this, but i think chuck will get my back here; and if not, it will give you all something to keep you tossing and turning into the wee hours -
out there wrote:
i could spend more time on this, but i think chuck will get my back hereYou know me, any political argument will get my left wing mind moving :p. But like you said, all other things would have to be perfect as well for this to work. I really don't like the idea of an even bigger gov't. What we really need is one of the major gas suppliers to become the walmart of the oil industry....know EXACTLY what it costs to get the oil here and then demand that they sell at just barely above that mark...and then the next year demand that they sell for less.
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Ya i heard that the stations dont get to choose prices exactly. It has to do with govt stuff. For instance i heard that it is illegal to sell gas say 30 cents under everyone else. dont ask why cuz the station owner would be the one losing money probably making in the long run. i remember when my sister who is almost 22 first got her license and gas was like 79 cents gallon. WTF happened. My mom said when she was my age and her first car she could fill it for less then what a 1/4 cost me in my 1st gen dsm. She had an old old school civic 2dr nicknamed "The Marshmellow" LOL
Matt
92 Civic HB
JDM d15b w/14b@8psi
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krzydrftr93 wrote:
Ya i heard that the stations dont get to choose prices exactly. It has to do with govt stuff. For instance i heard that it is illegal to sell gas say 30 cents under everyone else. dont ask why cuz the station owner would be the one losing money probably making in the long run. i remember when my sister who is almost 22 first got her license and gas was like 79 cents gallon. WTF happened. My mom said when she was my age and her first car she could fill it for less then what a 1/4 cost me in my 1st gen dsm. She had an old old school civic 2dr nicknamed "The Marshmellow" LOLTime for some corrections here.
It is not illegal for a station to sell for $.30 less than everyone else. There was legislation on the table in ND to prevent Walmart from taking such measures but I don't believe it passed.
If your sister is 22 she got her license at most 8 years ago (1997) if in ND, and 6 years ago (1999) if in MN. I can assure you that gas prices were higher than $.79 at that point in time http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html has a bit more info (I don't have Excel on my PC right now or I'd post exact prices....I may be wrong.)
The lowest I can remember the price of gas being since the first Gulf War is $.89 on August 4, 2001....and that was a promotional deal in Sykeston, ND...Pepsi was sponsoring a temporary extremely cheap gas day on the day of my Bachelor Party. I believe the average price at that time was about $1.29. To be honest I don't really remember gas prices being below $1.00 (for any period of time) since about 91 or so.
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sorry the selling for cheaper is just what i heard but wasnt sure about it and i thought gas was that cheap then. Maybe it just seems that much cheaper cuz it is somewhat high right now. Sorry for the incorrect info dude
Matt
92 Civic HB
JDM d15b w/14b@8psi
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I used to manage a gas station back in 97-99. I remember putting sub 1.00 prices up on the sign, I think I remember .89 being the lowest, but yeah, it was usually around 1.09 that summer if I remember right. I started driving in 95, and gas was around 1.10 to 1.15 then.
But anyways, about the comment about gas getting higher and the effect on the economy, well, I think there would be some changes to help absorb that cost.
First of all, I think companies will move away from the just-in-time inventory system they have in place now, and we would see a return to warehousing. After all, if it costs less to store inventory than to transport it more frequently, the cost accountants will insist on storing it.
Second of all, I think we would see a change in the way inventory is aquired, distributed, and transported. I bet local manufacturers would be used more frequently, and the price of goods from a distance would go up, making the scope of comparable goods increase from a price standpoint. Look at it this way. At the grocery store, corn would not increase too much in price at all, but oranges would. Instead of eating an orange, someone might decide to have corn instead (I know, terrible analogy). Furthermore, for the transportation of that good, the trucking distributors might be overlooked for, say, rail.
It is interesting to ponder what would happen if the prices were to remain this high or get higher for the long run. However, since there is so much uncertainty about it, companies are reluctant to change their distribution networks quite yet.
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one of my mom's said that her friend went down to the cities and gas is 2.49/gallon but in St.Cloud there is a station that is selling gas for 1.59/gallon. YES 1.59/gallon. The guy said he is sick of stations rippin every one off so he is trying to help get gas prices down. he is only loosing 25 cents per gallon. Why do we have to pay fricken 3.00/gallon. No need to make a 1.25/gallon. Hope it works
Matt
92 Civic HB
JDM d15b w/14b@8psi
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krzydrftr93 wrote:
one of my mom's said that her friend went down to the cities and gas is 2.49/gallon but in St.Cloud there is a station that is selling gas for 1.59/gallon. YES 1.59/gallon. The guy said he is sick of stations rippin every one off so he is trying to help get gas prices down. he is only loosing 25 cents per gallon. Why do we have to pay fricken 3.00/gallon. No need to make a 1.25/gallon. Hope it worksI think I said that someone should do that here, they would make a killing.
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Actually gas is not cheap by any means. Krzydrftr, someone lied to you. The gas stations aren't the ones that are ripping people off. Last year the gas stations were making about $.20 per gallon of gas, this year they are only making $.07 per gallon. My girlfriend works at a gas station and I was looking at the report from when they got their last shipment. And gas is $2.79 in the cities, not $2.49. And the guy in St. Cloud is selling E-85 for $1.59 a gallon.
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they gouge on the premium. They pay the same for premium that they do for 87 octane, and they charge plenty more for it. It has been like this for quite a while.
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