Exhaust Ticket Response from Fargo PD
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Chuck, If you have your car idling next to a stock exhaust equipped WRX, can you hear your car over the other one? If so, then it probably doesn't "blend the exhaust noise, into the overall vehicle noise", because you have already drown out the other car's sound. Just my observation.
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that may be the only thing argument they can make. However, it could be argued that the only noise that a car makes at idle at a stand still is through the exhaust therefore all exhaust noise counts as vehicle noise. Nowhere in there does it say that the noise has to be the same as stock, only that it must blend with the overall noise of the vehicle. If thats what they are going for, then define blend. Merriam-Webster defines it as: to prepare by thoroughly intermingling different varieties or grades. That doesn't really narrow down what they are looking for as by the nature of any exhaust it will blend with the cars noise as it IS the cars (primary) noise when not moving.
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what if I swapped a V8 into my subie and the resulting sound was no louder than a stock corvette (for example) but WAS louder than my WRX is normally. Would I be in violation of the exhaust law?
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tjamz wrote:
that may be the only thing argument they can make. However, it could be argued that the only noise that a car makes at idle at a stand still is through the exhaust therefore all exhaust noise counts as vehicle noise.
Until you listen to the air intake, the pulleys spinning, any ticking the motor makes....I just went and listened to my work vehicle('02 Windstar), and I couldn't even hear exhaust. Mainly intake and engine noises. -
tjamz wrote:
what if I swapped a V8 into my subie and the resulting sound was no louder than a stock corvette (for example) but WAS louder than my WRX is normally. Would I be in violation of the exhaust law?
Why would you want to do that and make a WRX fast?
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good points on both issues there Ethan. Still doesn't answer my question regarding if the swap made the car louder, should it be ticketed, even though it is the same level as other cars with a similar motor.
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btw, I'm enjoying this debate with Ethan, he always makes me think.
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ok. the real problem here isnt the noise. it is a few older people who dont like kids with there loud "race" cars. they start whinin and then there are a few cops who dont really like it eaither, so it all works out they have a reason to go after them. when was the last time you heard of a truck, it does happen but rarely. or even better have u ever heard of a harley or any other motorcycle getting pulled over for their exhaust. NO
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why do u say that, how many cops do u think say and heard u that night. I was just in Fargo today and saw a cop every few miles. Every other block i saw someone who had ileagal exhaust in some way, performance that was too loud, exhaust leak that was too loud, trucks that were too loud. how come none of those cops cared and pulled any of them over. because they dont care thats why
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im not just saying this because i hate cops either. cops are great, they are needed otherwise there would be chaos.
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Jared Balow wrote:
why do u say that, how many cops do u think say and heard u that night. I was just in Fargo today and saw a cop every few miles. Every other block i saw someone who had ileagal exhaust in some way, performance that was too loud, exhaust leak that was too loud, trucks that were too loud. how come none of those cops cared and pulled any of them over. because they dont care thats whycops every other block huh.......did you not read the forum or any of the forums on here. Noise is the biggest complaint. what other reason would they be targeting exhaust modifications.......
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99slowGSX wrote:
cops every other block huh.......did you not read the forum or any of the forums on here. Noise is the biggest complaint. what other reason would they be targeting exhaust modifications.......i guarantee a v8 truck with straight pipes or a harley is louder than 99% of the 'speed racers' getting pulled over. if noise is the biggest complaint, theyre sure pulling over the wrong people.
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amicheze wrote:
i guarantee a v8 truck with straight pipes or a harley is louder than 99% of the 'speed racers' getting pulled over. if noise is the biggest complaint, theyre sure pulling over the wrong people.
I disagree.Low tone cars (v8's) carry more, but I wouldn't say they are significantly louder.
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its the same where i live. the cops will all the sudden pull over a few people with performance exhaust saying people are complaining. but what about the chopper that is behind me and yet i can hear his shit over mine. im not saying all cops or even that many are doing this but some are. you know if someone with a bike got pulled over you would hear about it because it never happens.
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amicheze wrote:
i guarantee a v8 truck with straight pipes or a harley is louder than 99% of the 'speed racers' getting pulled over. if noise is the biggest complaint, theyre sure pulling over the wrong people.people are complaining about those too.............:rolleyes:
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the complaints may be true and ill bet some people are complaining about it. but go get yourself a harley and some leather like a biker and ride it around town, making sure its loud. pretty sure you wont get pulled over. im not calling the cops liars, but the cops that actually pull people over for it target certain people.
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