Is GOD real?
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Mazdaspeed6;198274 wrote:
Christian is a very watered down word. Most people claiming to be christians are not. So true christians do live according to the bible.Of course I make mistakes. But grace picks me up every time. It's a realationship with my heavenly father.
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thrash;198287 wrote:
Man, where do i find out which gas stations and grocery stores don't serve child molesters? I wan't to make sure I don't do business there.. gas that's good enough for child molesters isn't good enough for me. And produce? No way!Good try at humor, but apples to oranges. God knows who did what, and still lets them in.
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Ok, I guess I took your question about sins as a joke/poke at Matt. If it's a honest question, then here goes.
There are no "small" or "little" sins. The bible teaches that if you keep all the commandments except one, then you have broken them all.
The question that you initially asked "Would you mind explaining this further? Please list examples." when Matt said we all fall short, and try to do better.
Here are some examples:
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you get cut off in traffic and you swear and flip off the chump that cut you off. Instead of letting bad drivers like that get the best of me, I make myself stay calm and let it roll off my back. (Matt knows I'm very good at this LOL).
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you see someone else's GF or wife and think "I want some of that". This can be very difficult to do, but you have to try to put those kind of thoughts out of your mind.
re: the child molesters. These people are not mentally sane, I can't say that I know for sure what judgement would be on them. What the bible says is that if you repent and ask for forgiveness (repenting being the critical thing here, you can't just ask for forgiveness without actually feeling deep down in your heart that you seriously messed up and you will never do the same thing again) then God will forgive you. Do these child molesters repent? Thats for God to decide.
Ask away, if you have serious questions I'll answer them the best I can. I'm far from a biblical scholar LOL, but I do my best. And yes, I read/study the bible. Probably not as much as I should, but I do the best I can.
dh
2wheeler;198308 wrote:
From what I have learned, some sins can be little things. That's what I was getting at. I wasn't asking Matt to put his dirty laundry on Front Street.I was more leaning toward something small during Matt's day that he might do/say, that afterwards, he may think of how he could have done it in a more Christian manner.
Unfortunately, I try to ask questions like this to people who would try to have me believe in a faith, but are unable to give me real answer to real questions. What they do, is gang up with other "Christians" and avoid those questions. Happens every time.
I mentioned the guy I work with earlier to show that there are people like him who can stand their ground and represent their religion to the fullest. As much crap as he may get from others, he stands firm on all his beliefs, and will not compromise on them. Like I said, he studies the bible. I'm surprised that more Christians don't have his level of commitment to their faith. This is after all, what you are modeling your life after, and how you are hoping you will live your life for eternity. Isn't it?
DaveH
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2wheeler;198311 wrote:
Good try at humor, but apples to oranges. God knows who did what, and still lets them in.I don't know who God lets in and who he doesn't.
It's all kind of irrelevant because what God does is intrinsically just. Why are you worried about if child molesters get in or not? Irrespective of the outcome, the Judgement will be correct.
If you're worried about it, don't molest children. Which is pretty good advice, in general...
If you're worried that God won't make the "correct" decision in the case of child molesters, by all means, don't beleive -- becuase you already don't.
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Parker;198326 wrote:
Will someone please explain to me why everyone assumes you need to go to church to worship God?I don't. I believe believers are to "not forsake the assembly of yourselves" but gather in like minds and to worship together. You go to build one another up. You go to focus on the one thing and that is Christ. You certainly will not go to hell for not going. It has nothing to do with it. Nothing WE do will make a difference if we go to heaven or hell...it's what Christ did and all WE have to do is accept what he did...repent of our sins and then believe and follow him. Going to church, tithing, reading the bible, and just trying to live a righteous life is just response for what he did on the cross for us.
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thrash;198322 wrote:
I don't know who God lets in and who he doesn't.It's all kind of irrelevant because what God does is intrinsically just. Why are you worried about if child molesters get in or not? Irrespective of the outcome, the Judgement will be correct.
If you're worried about it, don't molest children. Which is pretty good advice, in general...
If you're worried that God won't make the "correct" decision in the case of child molesters, by all means, don't beleive -- becuase you already don't.
Not worried at all. Just confused as to why people would support an institution where someone that uses the word "Jesus" is vain is the exact same, no better/worse, that someone who rapes a 6 year old child.
I don't think I know you, your age, your life(marriage, kids, etc.), but I guarantee you this......If someone touches a kid of mine(hypothetical, I have no kids yet) like that, while you may let God deal with them and forgive them......I will beat that motherfucker within an inch of his life, if not kill him. It is were a friend of mine's kid, I would do the same. I'm not even trying to be tough, or anything like that. What I said is what would happen. I would spend time in jail for that, and I wouldn't condemn anyone else for doing the same thing.
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2wheeler;198310 wrote:
If so, at least he wasn't pussy enough to hide in a church and pretend to do "Gods work". That, son, is weak.You know what. I gotta be honest with you man. There are some pretenders in my church. I don't know if that makes them pussies. More like hypocrites.
I know what it's like to feel disenfranchised by the church. Trust me I do. How do I know... I grew up a pk go figure...
I could have become bitter and resorted to drugs/alcohol/loose women(really wanted those for a while). But, I realized that we humans are imperfect vessels. We all have holes. We don't hold the holy spirit like we should. Grace plugs those holes.
It hard when you look up to a christian and they let you down. It really is, I mean they're supposed to be all close to God n stuff right? I dare say, I have been stabbed in the back by christians more than most people on the forum... Is that God's fault? No, it's their fault. I've decided I'm not going to hold a grudge against my heavenly father for what some of His children did to me. After all, I as a child of God have hurt others too.
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2wheeler;198335 wrote:
Not worried at all. Just confused as to why people would support an institution where someone that uses the word "Jesus" is vain is the exact same, no better/worse, that someone who rapes a 6 year old child.I don't think I know you, your age, your life(marriage, kids, etc.), but I guarantee you this......If someone touches a kid of mine(hypothetical, I have no kids yet) like that, while you may let God deal with them and forgive them......I will beat that motherfucker within an inch of his life, if not kill him. It is were a friend of mine's kid, I would do the same. I'm not even trying to be tough, or anything like that. What I said is what would happen. I would spend time in jail for that, and I wouldn't condemn anyone else for doing the same thing.
Well, like I said, I don't know exactly how it all goes down, only that whatever God decides, it is just.
In terms of how I would feel and what I'd do here on Earth? Would it meet the standard of Jesus? Probably not. Nothing I do in any spectrum of my life does...
I hear that the Marines are fond of saying.. "it's up to God to sort em out. It's up to us to arrange the meeting".
What we are commanded to do, and what we actually do are separated by a wide gap. That gap is so wide that none of us can cross it to get into heaven. Some people forget that. The pharisees forgot that most prominantly, and that is why Jesus was pwning them all the time.
The standard of the law is set very high. We're not released from the law in the sense that whether we try and follow it or not doesn't matter. Jesus "released us from the law" in the sense that if we truly ask him to, he'll help us bridge the gap.
I think if a child molester truly asks for forgivness, God is big enough to give it to him.
Alternatively, I think that if someone uses the lord's name in vain constantly, and truly in his heart beleives that God getting bent out of shape over someone using his name profanely is stupid, and God should just suck it up... or that God doesn't even matter... yeah.. that person not only won't be on equal footing with a repentant child molester... they're going to hell.
Can I explain to you how that is justice? Do I feel like that policy makes the world a better place? Not really. But it's the truth. Someday, I hope God can explain it to me face to face. Until then, I'll continue to assume that he only does what is right and just, and if I can't make heads or tails of it, that's my problem, not his.
I plan on having an eternity to figure it all out
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fallguy;198328 wrote:
I don't. I believe believers are to "not forsake the assembly of yourselves" but gather in like minds and to worship together. You go to build one another up. You go to focus on the one thing and that is Christ. You certainly will not go to hell for not going. It has nothing to do with it. Nothing WE do will make a difference if we go to heaven or hell...it's what Christ did and all WE have to do is accept what he did...repent of our sins and then believe and follow him. Going to church, tithing, reading the bible, and just trying to live a righteous life is just response for what he did on the cross for us. I'm sure some religions do put more importance on it that what they should. They have to pay the bills I guess.
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We're gonna have to start a fargostreet bible study lol... The guys in mine don't understand my car obsession. I get to be the slowest car!!!
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kylush;198350 wrote:
Nope, pretty sure i got you beat there... :lol:Get a 75hp shot, When I raced asassin we were door to door!
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