Is GOD real?
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StangerBanger96;197930 wrote:
I think the number one threat to "Religion" is the "Church". If you actually sat down and looked at it, many things the Church/high religious authorities do or say are contradictory to God's word. Any church that hates homosexuals or anything like that is a hypocritical institution I believe. If they TRUELY followed God's word they'd leave the judgments to him and do everything they could to help people follow God and be saved.I think this is a big reason there is a fairly strong anti-religion movement lately. The church is becoming oppressive again it seems and is really doing a good job at turning people away from morality and anything even remotely religious in nature. Pretty sad if you ask me...
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Hate the action, not the person. The bible does teach that homosexuality is a sin, the bible also teaches that murder is a sin, stealing is a sin, adultry is a sin....ect. That does not mean that we should hate the people that commit these actions. The bible says, "We are all sinners and have fallen short of the glory of god." For this reason, noone should ever think that they are better, or more holy or sinless then another person. Sin is sin in God's eyes. Jesus himself didn't hang out and spend all his time with the high religious authrities who knew the scripture. He hung out with prostitutes, theives, other criminals and people that others might consider scum and who had probably never even heard God's word. He loved those people the same as he loves everyone.
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StangerBanger96;197937 wrote:
Same thing these priests or any fanatic do for Religion, they tarnish its true meaning by making foolish acts "in the name of" it.Depending where you sit on your views of religion, your definition of a religious fanatic will vary.
To be frank, Catholics scare me. I was an usher at a catholic wedding and I honestly had a hard time standing there during the rehearsal. What surprised me even more was when a family member who I thought was a devoted catholic finally got fed up with the radical beliefs of the catholic church and went lutheran (at that same rehersal basically). But after sitting there listening to the priest speak about the religion - to tell me that they truly believe that the blood of christ is in the vase and the body of christ was in his hand - to see the way young children were led along like mindless minions (children that age are too immature to know what they really believe - it's brainwashing IMO) - I HONESTLY shook it worked me up that much. In any other situation, with these actions, had these not been based under a christian/catholic religion - it would have been a cult and scorned until it was blue in the face.
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my god looks like slash, drives a big foot monster truck, and parties SEVEN days a week. why? because he is god and god doesnt need a whole day to rest, thats just childish.
also, he prefers pepsi to coke. i know right, i couldnt believe it either.
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I'm not sure, I know that organized religion is a joke, think priest alterboy scandals. I also can't deny the fact that sometimes I really can believe there is a god. That said I don't think that I will be judged on weither or not I have accepted JC as my lord and savior. I just try to be a good guy, maybe watch a little less porn this year than I did last year, and if there is a god and i'm judged to be deserving of the fires of hell I guess I'll be in good company because a lot of fuckers are coming with me.
91teggy;197908 wrote:
Or so they believe its more of a theory than anything i dont know if they are wrong or right but im not a scientist but from what i have read its accurate for a few thousand years after that its a guessing game the technology hasnt been around long enough to give any real proof.Yes you are absolutly right the technology hasn't been around for hundreds of millions of years so there is no way to prove it. Except that it has been proven that atoms, especially carbon, decay at a certain rate. So I think its safe to asssume that you can get pretty darn close by checking out the carbon atoms of a really old rock or bone. We are talking about hundreds of millions of years here whats a few thousand here and there.
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[QUOTE=capitlj;197951]I also can't deny the fact that sometimes I really can believe there is a god. That said I don't think that I will be judged on weither or not I have accepted JC as my lord and savior. I just try to be a good guy, maybe watch a little less porn this year than I did last year, [QUOTE]
ok jahova's (sp?) witness...what a joke that religion is...or should i say cult instead?...ya cult works much better
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BTW, can you non-believers in a higher being, please tell me how we all came to be here? What came first, the chicken or the egg? What caused the big bang? How did all of the elements involved in the big bang get there in the first place?...You can't tell me that we are here by accident...We are 100,000s of thousands of miles away from the sun...Yet a small tilt in our Earth by just a few 100 miles causes extremes in weather...you are telling me that all of this is a total coincedence?...if so...holy mother of ignorant
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Used;197924 wrote:
Theres no argument here their is a GOD there is Jesus there is a Hold spirit!! try proving the bible wrong the bible is holy words. No book has stood the test of time like the bible has there is also evidence that there was a man named Jesus and that he was crucified by the romans back in the day. I just finished Teen Challenge which is a 13 month faith based treatment and just seeing and hearing god talk to you and others makes believers of all. People that were so lost in there life of drugs came to Teen Challenge and became completely new people. Ignorance is blissCongrats on finishing Teen Challenge. That is a great program that they run there in Mandan and has one of the highest rates of turning drug users into non-drug users (something like a 92% success rate for getting people off Meth and keeping them off....that's amazing in itself)
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The only thing im gonna say on this issue is that i don't support organized religion because it is a bunch of bullshit.......
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torbs;197961 wrote:
BTW, can you non-believers in a higher being, please tell me how we all came to be here?**How did god come to be?
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What came first, the chicken or the egg?The single cell anemia
What caused the big bang?
What created God or the multitude of different religions?
How did all of the elements involved in the big bang get there in the first place?
How did God get there in the first place?
...You can't tell me that we are here by accident...
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You can't prove we are all here by intent**We are 100,000s of thousands of miles away from the sun...Yet a small tilt in our Earth by just a few 100 miles causes extremes in weather...you are telling me that all of this is a total coincedence?...if so...holy mother of ignorant
Of the billions of stars/galaxy's/planets in the universe, you tend to think that Earth is the only one capable of supporting life...which one of us is ignorant?
I'll explain my belief system when I have more time, I do believe in God. There was a time when I wasn't so sure, but that changed dramatically on a day in May about 18 months ago. I'm not a fan of organized religion, because I don't believe any one religion has it all correct. I don't believe you will receive salvation through the church, but rather directly with a personal relationship with God. Everyone's relationship will be slightly different, that is human nature. I do believe that the basic ideas presented by the church can help guide you to salvation, but you will have to create your own path using their instructions. I believe an atheist can get to heaven, I believe a Christian can be denied access to heaven. I don't believe in Hell as it is discussed by most major Christian religions. I believe God created the world and the basic building blocks of life. I believe God essentially created the following (as it relates to Science)
Kingdom
Phylum
Class
Order
FamilyI believe the following evolved over time
Genus
SpeciesI don't believe we evolved from apes, though I do think we are a related species. I do believe that we evolved from prehistoric man to present day homosapien.
I believe that God would want us to use any technology we can to help mankind, this includes embryonic stemcells, though I don't believe he would want us to create stem-cell farms. Rather, if there were left over embyros from people wanting to get pregnant via in vitro impregnation, then we are better off using the cells rather than destroying the embryos entirely (much like organ donors....better to reuse the heart/lung/kidney of a dead person to help another live than to discard the body in its entirety. )
Thats the much abbreviated version of my beliefs. Not everyone will agree with me, but this is a system that works well for me and lets me sleep peacefully at night. And really, that is all that matters.
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tjamz;197969 wrote:
Congrats on finishing Teen Challenge. That is a great program that they run there in Mandan and has one of the highest rates of turning drug users into non-drug users (something like a 92% success rate for getting people off Meth and keeping them off....that's amazing in itself)Thanks man it was hard. But well worth the time.
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So, is Mike Edwards still the one running the show there? I've done a bit of work with him in the past, along with their electricians from Rhodes Electric (I kid you not, the owner of Rhodes Electric is a guy by the name of Dusty Rhodes....he looks nothing like the American Dream though..../end off topic discussion). Good guys, but it put me in a weird situation when they asked me to join them in prayer at the end of my sales presentation...
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2wheeler;197936 wrote:
Oh, and any of the religious types on here. feel free to explain the actions of all the priests that like to fuck little boys.Those religious "leaders", the ones you may be listening to every Sunday, are child molesters. It could be your pastor.
Let me guess, as long as they are truly sorry, they'll go to "heaven".
If that's true, I don't wanna go there(a place that accepts child molesters).
A preist isn't God. A prest is a person and their actions have no reflect on my spirituality. Why would they? I don't beleive in confessing my sins to a preist. I don't beleive that the pope is any more God like than I am. Man was not created to be God.
Spirituality isn't about being sinless and being sorry for sinning isn't the magic ticket.
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tjamz;197977 wrote:
So, is Mike Edwards still the one running the show there? I've done a bit of work with him in the past, along with their electricians from Rhodes Electric (I kid you not, the owner of Rhodes Electric is a guy by the name of Dusty Rhodes....he looks nothing like the American Dream though..../end off topic discussion). Good guys, but it put me in a weird situation when they asked me to join them in prayer at the end of my sales presentation...lol.. Ya Mike Edwards was still there when i graduated. Ya i know Dusty Rhodes I have a couple buddy's that work for him.
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Ethan always starts some interesting threads. I'll just touch on a couple items.
God = yes
Carbon dating: it's a farce. It's filled with assumptions... like the atmosphere has been consistant throughout time, etc. Who the heck knows that? If the atmosphere had changed at anytime along the "billions" of years that evolutionist believe, then carbon dating is worthless. If you believe in creation, then carbon could surely have been created at any point in it's lifetime that the creater chose.
Evolution: There is a small amount of evolution of creatures over time, but there are no NEW creatures created over time. They were all created in the beginning. How do I know? Well, there are some animals that just could not have evolved. There is that beetle, uhh bombardier beetle, it basically has a tube built into its body, and when it's under attack it mixes some ingredients together which literally explode out of the tube. How many different tries do you suppose that beetle had to try to mix the correct ingredients together? How about the design of the tube? I suppose even if it got lucky the first time and mixed the ingredients right, what if the tube wasn't quite strong enough the first time? There are many other examples, where I don't see any possible way evolution covers the design of many/most animals.
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2wheeler;197936 wrote:
Oh, and any of the religious types on here. feel free to explain the actions of all the priests that like to fuck little boys.Those religious "leaders", the ones you may be listening to every Sunday, are child molesters. It could be your pastor.
Let me guess, as long as they are truly sorry, they'll go to "heaven".
If that's true, I don't wanna go there(a place that accepts child molesters).
Well then let's just throw anyone with a sporty looking car or bike in jail because they're all law breakers.
This is taken directly from philosophy notes. I thought it was kind of interesting to try to explain the whole evolution/creation debate. I personally believe that God kind of "got the ball rolling" and evolution eventually took it's course. How God came to be, though, I'm not sure.
P1. Look around. We see objects in motion.
P2. If something is in motion, then it must be caused to be in motion by something outside of itself.
P3 Either there is an infinite chain of motion or an Unmoved Prime Mover got everything moving and maintains it in motion.
P4. There cannot be an infinite chain of motion.
C1. An Unmoved Prime Mover exists.
C2. God exists.
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