Obama and Bush not so far apart...

HandoEX

Don't mind me, just whoring my new sig :google:

MisterCMK

HandoEX;242188 wrote:
Don't mind me, just whoring my new sig :google:

:lol:

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Hmmm...I copy paste my responses? No more so than those who copy/paste the initial argument points.

I'm sorry I forgot to include the link for my anti-John McCain post above....here it is:

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

The VAST majority of my posts are not copy/paste... especially when I give MY view of why I think the idea that I did copy/paste might make sense.

Yes, I will double check my sources before I post a response...but that is not being irresponsible, that is making sure that I have my facts straight.

IF the ACORN involvement is fair game, so is Keating 5.

Yes, I understand the core differences in the Obama vs Paul tax plan, but the proposed end result is similar. Give tax relief to the people so they can spend it with businesses, in the meantime continue taxing the businesses that create these jobs in the first place....and I'll be man enough to admit that Obama's plan taxes the corporations more than pauls would. I was commenting on your post though Brian that more money in the taxpayers pocket is good for businesses.

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Hmmm....lets see...none of these are copy/pastes w/o my view on what is being said:

Yup, I copy/paste everything I post.

SmitEvo

tjamz;242197 wrote:
Hmmm...I copy paste my responses? No more so than those who copy/paste the initial argument points.

I'm sorry I forgot to include the link for my anti-John McCain post above....here it is:

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

The VAST majority of my posts are not copy/paste... especially when I give MY view of why I think the idea that I did copy/paste might make sense.

Yes, I will double check my sources before I post a response...but that is not being irresponsible, that is making sure that I have my facts straight.

IF the ACORN involvement is fair game, so is Keating 5.

Yes, I understand the core differences in the Obama vs Paul tax plan, but the proposed end result is similar. Give tax relief to the people so they can spend it with businesses, in the meantime continue taxing the businesses that create these jobs in the first place....and I'll be man enough to admit that Obama's plan taxes the corporations more than pauls would. I was commenting on your post though Brian that more money in the taxpayers pocket is good for businesses.

Well let me put it in laymans terms for you....

Paul: No income tax. All tax money paid by corporations.

Osama bin Obama: Tax the rich more to give money to poor. Tax corporations more.

So if the rich were not taxed more, they could re-invest that money they didnt get taxed back into our economy. If they were taxed more, that money would not go into the economy. Simple...no income tax would help create a higher multiplier factor within the economy vs. obama's robin hood tactics.

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Now, how many of you would listen to my ramblings if I didn't have some source for where I got my info? What credibility would I have if I couldn't at least back up where I get my information from? That's right, the same amount you have by claiming that I'm a copy/paste machine that has no thought of my own and can't defend my points.

SmitEvo

tjamz;242203 wrote:
Hmmm....lets see...none of these are copy/pastes w/o my view on what is being said:

http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242037&postcount=12
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242039&postcount=13
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242042&postcount=15
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242059&postcount=20
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242061&postcount=21
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242091&postcount=33
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242092&postcount=34
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242096&postcount=37
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242098&postcount=39
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242100&postcount=40
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242124&postcount=46
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242125&postcount=47
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242136&postcount=50
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242138&postcount=51
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242147&postcount=54
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242150&postcount=55
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242157&postcount=57
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242171&postcount=61
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242179&postcount=63
http://fargostreet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242197&postcount=69

Yup, I copy/paste everything I post.

Nope...just most of it and if not, probably not original thought. Someone else thought it up for you...

www.google.com

SmitEvo

tjamz;242206 wrote:
Now, how many of you would listen to my ramblings if I didn't have some source for where I got my info? What credibility would I have if I couldn't at least back up where I get my information from? That's right, the same amount you have by claiming that I'm a copy/paste machine that has no thought of my own and can't defend my points.

your posts get too tedious to read because all you do is ramble on with other peoples thoughts and not your own. Be original...

PSiedTSi

You mean original like Palin?

Typical right wing attack. Can't attack the actual ideas, just the "source"...

:stirpot:

SmitEvo

PSiedTSi;242210 wrote:
You mean original like Palin?

Typical right wing attack. Can't attack the actual ideas, just the "source"...

:stirpot:

Palin sucks...so what? Biden is not much better...

It is easy to attack the ideas...not interested in typing a book each time to appear that I am smart.

PSiedTSi

haha, just trying to stir things up.

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SmitEvo;242204 wrote:
Well let me put it in laymans terms for you....

Paul: No income tax. All tax money paid by corporations.

Osama bin Obama: Tax the rich more to give money to poor. Tax corporations more.

So if the rich were not taxed more, they could re-invest that money they didnt get taxed back into our economy. If they were taxed more, that money would not go into the economy. Simple...no income tax would help create a higher multiplier factor within the economy vs. obama's robin hood tactics.

That's been working real well for us lately hasn't it? I mean, how well has the economy done since those tax changes took effect that benefited the wealthy (not arguing that they didn't deserve the breaks....because I feel they did). Even before all this blew up in our faces (economy) the economy was struggling...moving forward, but struggling. Increased foreign debt only helps to increase the problems....if we don't have enough income into the treasury from taxes, what choices do we REALLY have? Reduce spending (good luck with that....name once in recent history where that has happened....even with a republican house/senate/whitehouse it didn't happen, so I suggest all the republicans get off their high horse on this one) or borrow money weakening the dollar to the point where pay increases don't equate to being able to purchase new/more items.

Housing aside, it really doesn't take any more money for a rich person to live comfortably than it does a middle class wage earner. Groceries cost the same, gas costs the same, football tickets cost the same, etc... However a weakened dollar hurts the middle class people who buy these goods more so than it does the wealthy.

Again, I agree based on the principle of letting the taxpayers keep more of their money. I've never disagreed. I've never said obama's plan should be the long term solution for our tax policy, in fact I've said the opposite. I just think that it is necessary at this point in time.

BTW, your laymans terms are pretty much the same damn thing I said Brian...did you have to google tjamz to get your response?

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SmitEvo;242207 wrote:
Nope...just most of it and if not, probably not original thought. Someone else thought it up for you...

www.google.com

Please...of course I base my opinions off of what I read/see/hear. I'm willing to bet I'm the only one who listens to both sides before making my opinions though.

SmitEvo

tjamz;242226 wrote:
That's been working real well for us lately hasn't it? I mean, how well has the economy done since those tax changes took effect that benefited the wealthy (not arguing that they didn't deserve the breaks....because I feel they did). Even before all this blew up in our faces (economy) the economy was struggling...moving forward, but struggling. Increased foreign debt only helps to increase the problems....if we don't have enough income into the treasury from taxes, what choices do we REALLY have? Reduce spending (good luck with that....name once in recent history where that has happened....even with a republican house/senate/whitehouse it didn't happen, so I suggest all the republicans get off their high horse on this one) or borrow money weakening the dollar to the point where pay increases don't equate to being able to purchase new/more items.

Housing aside, it really doesn't take any more money for a rich person to live comfortably than it does a middle class wage earner. Groceries cost the same, gas costs the same, football tickets cost the same, etc... However a weakened dollar hurts the middle class people who buy these goods more so than it does the wealthy.

Again, I agree based on the principle of letting the taxpayers keep more of their money. I've never disagreed. I've never said obama's plan should be the long term solution for our tax policy, in fact I've said the opposite. I just think that it is necessary at this point in time.

BTW, your laymans terms are pretty much the same damn thing I said Brian...did you have to google tjamz to get your response?

So paying taxes would be the same as not paying taxes? That is what I dont think you are getting. Quit playing stupid here and trying to pull an Obama tactic and answer the question. Does Obama have NO INCOME tax in his plan? Does PAUL have NO INCOME TAX in his plan? You dont need to try and explain economics to me, I understand them completley and know what is going on. Bottom line paying NO INCOME TAX would be more benficial for the economy than THE RICH PAYING THE INCOME TAX....

SmitEvo

tjamz;242233 wrote:
Please...of course I base my opinions off of what I read/see/hear. I'm willing to bet I'm the only one who listens to both sides before making my opinions though.

Then you should realize how screwed as a country we are in general...obama sucks and mccain sucks. Period...quit sticking up for what you believe is the lesser of two evils.

PSiedTSi

SmitEvo;242245 wrote:
quit sticking up for what you believe is the lesser of two evils.

That's all we have right now.

SmitEvo

PSiedTSi;242247 wrote:
That's all we have right now.

No...you can vote for other people. They just wont win. It is easy to stick to your principles...

SmitEvo

May be repost...but funny. Damn rednecks...

http://www.break.com/index/redneck-woman-rails-on-obama.html

PSiedTSi

Yeah, so it would be just like '04 when I didn't vote for the lunatic on the left or the retard on the right. Or in '00, If I could have voted, my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway because popular vote=squat.

Bookem

I'd like to see a video of MCCain throwing some dice. He uses his whole body right? :lol:

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Obama and Bush not so far apart...