MDGFAB can not deliver AGAIN!!!!
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Xracer;289081 wrote:
I will make it perfectly clear and take pictures of my observations when I have time. I am free to make any comments I please about the manifold. Its not bad by any means, but there are things that bother me. If you are so experienced building 50+ manifolds like you said, I would have expected you to know better. Again im a fool for making such assumptions.And just so everybody knows my 100% out of pocket cost for this:
Manifold Material Payment: $258
Gas to and From Fargo: $65
Bus tickets to and from Fargo: $90
Head Flange:100
Waste Gate flange: $25
Payment to Max for getting the manifold to me: $100 (this is my choice of course and can be omitted based on individual opinion)
Shipping costs: $40
Head flange resurfacing: $25Total:$603
Yes, still a bargain for a manifold but MY cost of this product is much more than $250
I am omitting all the other complications that his lateness has caused me which also include, but not limited, to loss of money.You are kidding me you paid max to "get" the manifold. funny this didn't come up when he talked to me about going down there. Trust me when i say i would have gladly shipped it free of charge if i had known that. So if you want the shipping cost repaid i can send that anytime. As i was totally in the dark to that and i don't think that is right.
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Link;289080 wrote:
I believe he has every right to bitch and you have no right to talk.How do you fit in here? what do you know anyway.
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DrifterExtreme;289084 wrote:
You are kidding me you paid max to "get" the manifold. funny this didn't come up when he talked to me about going down there. Trust me when i say i would have gladly shipped it free of charge if i had known that. So if you want the shipping cost repaid i can send that anytime. As i was totally in the dark to that and i don't think that is right.Leaving you in the dark was the idea. Since you seem to enjoy doing it to your customers I figured it was the least I could do.
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you took the greyhound? lol ghetto
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Link;289089 wrote:
What do I know? I know how to run a LEGIT business. That's what I know.So your saying never once has a "legit" business made a mistake and go over the quoted time frame to complete a job? (ie: construction).
Get your head out of your ass.
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DrifterExtreme;289097 wrote:
So your saying never once has a "legit" business made a mistake and go over the quoted time frame to complete a job? (ie: construction).Get your head out of your ass.
That's a ridiculous oversimplification. Sure seemed like a lot more than a simple mistake to me.
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amicheze;289108 wrote:
That's a ridiculous oversimplification. Sure seemed like a lot more than a simple mistake to me.Pretty sure i was just late? correct? he actually got more then he paid for. so again how is it more then just bad time frame quote? (again not making excuses)
Don't even attempt to tell me other "legit" manifold shops haven't been late.But for people that have no association to Max and myself, to talk about this topic like I did the worst thing ever.......
Go ask peakboost a "legit" company in most people standards about there 4+ months waits that unexpectedly came up. so as much as i don't like it took this long after the 2 weeks. you fail to realize that others on AVERAGE wait way way longer.
So why don't we just end this pissing match as nothing is going to come of it.
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DrifterExtreme;289097 wrote:
So your saying never once has a "legit" business made a mistake and go over the quoted time frame to complete a job? (ie: construction).Get your head out of your ass.
Once? I know of 2 incidents where you were LONG over the quoted time.
And don't pull the quoted time bullshit, because if you would actually do the work, shit would get done. But no, you work when you want. THAT is why you are a huge case of fail. The customer is always #1. Does not matter the circumstance. Learn it or fail.
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So let's say $600 for a one off manifold build from scratch in 4 weeks is bad?
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I don't think anyone is saying his turnaround is bad, the bad part is that he said it would be done in X amount of time, and it wasn't. Wouldn't have been a big deal if a time wasn't specified.
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lulz, i love how cool people sound on the internet
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Xracer;289081 wrote:
I will make it perfectly clear and take pictures of my observations when I have time. I am free to make any comments I please about the manifold. Its not bad by any means, but there are things that bother me. If you are so experienced building 50+ manifolds like you said, I would have expected you to know better. Again im a fool for making such assumptions.And just so everybody knows my 100% out of pocket cost for this:
Manifold Material Payment: $258
Gas to and From Fargo: $65
Bus tickets to and from Fargo: $90
Head Flange:100
Waste Gate flange: $25
Payment to Max for getting the manifold to me: $100 (this is my choice of course and can be omitted based on individual opinion)
Shipping costs: $40
Head flange resurfacing: $25Total:$603
Yes, still a bargain for a manifold but MY cost of this product is much more than $250
I am omitting all the other complications that his lateness has caused me which also include, but not limited, to loss of money.So gas to and from fargo?? wtf do you need to take a bus then for? kinda sounds like you like to bitch over little things...
2003 Mitsubishi Evolution 8
2011 Ford F150 Ecoboost
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I agree Joe, I understand why Max (xracer) was upset that it wasn't done in the time quoted, but really the only "costs" that should really be included on there are:
Manifold Material Payment: $258
Head Flange:$100
Waste Gate flange: $25
Head flange resurfacing: $25for a total of $398...
The other stuff he was going to be paying for anyway.
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dont forget the cost of tire wear, cost of bringing your mileage closer to an oil change, brake pad wear, the 500 less miles youre going to get out of your air filter, and im assuming you probably got some type of beverage either on the way here or back?
bottom line is you paid a price that was WAY under what you should have paid for a great product. this was a PROTOTYPE manifold. you paid less because he needed a mock up car for a jig. DO NOT EXPECT A FUCKING PERFECT MANIFOLD when this is the first one hes made. i think its pretty impressive that a one man business got that job done in 4 weeks when he still needs to be doing other things to keep his business afloat.
he definitely shouldn't have quoted 2 weeks for it but you also shouldn't be getting so butt hurt over it. poor business practice is one thing but i think you're intelligent enough to understand that the reason there is a 1000 difference in price is to compensate for any kinds of issues being as this is a prototype manifold. he didn't give you a price break because he likes you or he was feeling like a nice guy, its because issues and a little longer wait are to be expected. jeebus if everyone got as worked up as you every time things didn't go their way...
instead of swinging your e-dick on every forum you can find, grow up and relax.here a psht, there psht, everywhere a psht psht
PVC SQUAD MEMBER #2- 95 CIVIC EX- DD 320whp on a mustang dyno
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SPANISH-RICE;289134 wrote:
dont forget the cost of tire wear, cost of bringing your mileage closer to an oil change, brake pad wear, the 500 less miles youre going to get out of your air filter, and im assuming you probably got some type of beverage either on the way here or back?bottom line is you paid a price that was WAY under what you should have paid for a great product. this was a PROTOTYPE manifold. you paid less because he needed a mock up car for a jig. DO NOT EXPECT A FUCKING PERFECT MANIFOLD when this is the first one hes made. i think its pretty impressive that a one man business got that job done in 4 weeks when he still needs to be doing other things to keep his business afloat.
he definitely shouldn't have quoted 2 weeks for it but you also shouldn't be getting so butt hurt over it. poor business practice is one thing but i think you're intelligent enough to understand that the reason there is a 1000 difference in price is to compensate for any kinds of issues being as this is a prototype manifold. he didn't give you a price break because he likes you or he was feeling like a nice guy, its because issues and a little longer wait are to be expected. jeebus if everyone got as worked up as you every time things didn't go their way...
instead of swinging your e-dick on every forum you can find, grow up and relax.Don't quote a timeframe if you have no clue how long it's going to take. Again, poor business ethics.
Took him 4 weeks have half ass work? If he'd actually work on a customer's product instead of sitting on the interwebz, shit would get done and this thread wouldn't be 7 pages long.
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Link;289135 wrote:
Don't quote a timeframe if you have no clue how long it's going to take. Again, poor business ethics.Took him 4 weeks have half ass work? If he'd actually work on a customer's product instead of sitting on the interwebz, shit would get done and this thread wouldn't be 7 pages long.
did you read what i said? i agreed that he shouldn't have quoted him that time but 4 weeks is not long for a manifold. full race asks for 4 weeks to ship a manifold on cars they've been doing for years. and thats without mock up and making a jig for it. have you ever made a manifold? have you ever fabricated anything? things go smoother the second time around. thus the reason for THE DISCOUNTED PRICE. this is not half-ass work. this is a first time prototype manifold that hasn't gotten tweaked yet.
being a one man business how is he supposed to promote himself and DEFEND himself if he doesn't spend time on the internet? you seem to be the one with all the answers so...
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