Well Obama got the nobel peace prize.
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I agree with your stand on this 100% Jim. I don't care if you hate Obama, don't be a fucking idiot and suggest that he be harmed/killed on a public forum. Doing that is stupid (and illegal as hell) for both the person doing it and the site operator (if he tolerates/allows it).
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alright so why exactly did he get nominated? what exactly did he do? especially 2 weeks into his presidency. i just dont under stand why he got nominated and won.
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Not entirely sure either. I think it was due to his vision/ideas of reducing conflict whenever possible.
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yeah i think i read something about that. also another angle to look at is in order for him to carryout some of his "visions", and "plans", he needs to be re-elected in 2012, so maybe the obama administration was thinking that people will think "oh well he got the nobel peace prize, so he must of done something right, lets vote for him again". i mean lets face it, ALOT of people in the country i have no idea about politics and will beleive whatever you tell them. but i guess thats just my opinion, im sure someone else will shoot it down
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Like I heard wherever it was...Can't wait to see Miss America/Miss Universe win it next year since they always promote world peace and nuclear disarmament.
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StangerBanger96;291126 wrote:
Like I heard wherever it was...Can't wait to see Miss America/Miss Universe win it next year since they always promote world peace and nuclear disarmament.But, none of them are in a position to do anything about it. Like/dislike Obama, he is still the most powerful man in the world (politically)
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this is pretty pathetic if you ask me. regardless of his position of power and potential ability to carry out said acts of peace. you can always give him the award then. but to do it based on whatever it is he says he "would like to do" is a stretch.
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Trafik Jamz;291136 wrote:
But, none of them are in a position to do anything about it. Like/dislike Obama, he is still the most powerful man in the world (politically)Well then by this reasoning, Bush definitely should have gotten it because he sent troops out to destroy terrorists, which in effect makes the world a safer place...right? Even if it didn't make it safer or more peaceful, he WANTED to and THOUGHT it would, therefore, he should have won!
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StangerBanger96;291164 wrote:
Well then by this reasoning, Bush definitely should have gotten it because he sent troops out to destroy terrorists, which in effect makes the world a safer place...right? Even if it didn't make it safer or more peaceful, he WANTED to and THOUGHT it would, therefore, he should have won!it doesnt matter what HE thinks... it matters what the voting body thinks.
i dont think it is a secret that the rest of the world was not impressed with out previous president. unfortunately for him AMERICA doesnt decide who gets the prize.
hate obama or love obama you people should be impressed (or at least not outraged) that the rest of the world just recognized the united states as less of a pile of shit.
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24valvenotak;291167 wrote:
hate obama or love obama you people should be impressed (or at least not outraged) that the rest of the world just recognized the united states as less of a pile of shit.No, no, no Mitch....all this award proves is that Obama (and the country he represents) are a bunch of pussies that will back down from every challenge thrown their way and will achieve peace at the expense of every single civil liberty that you and I hold dear. Hasn't Fox news taught you anything?
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Trafik Jamz;291169 wrote:
No, no, no Mitch....all this award proves is that Obama (and the country he represents) are a bunch of pussies that will back down from every challenge thrown their way and will achieve peace at the expense of every single civil liberty that you and I hold dear. Hasn't Fox news taught you anything?oh yea, i forgot that being a socialist joker is waay worse then an uneducated coke face who wiped his ass with our civil liberties. i hope glen beck can forgive me. if i were unemployed and dropped out of school i could have payed more attention to the greatest media outlet the world has ever known. my bad. my bad.
The Glenn Beck Program - The Fusion of Entertainment and Enlightenment riiiiight.
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I do not recognize the right of the rest of the world to pass judgement on the United States; it's sanction is irrelevant.
Bush, for all his faults, to the extent he was able to wrap his head around the problem of 9/11, put America first, and anyone that thought his job was anything besides that doesn't understand Americans or America's unique role in world politics. The GWB whitehouse view might be thought of as "when Europe outsourced its securty needs to the US 60 years ago, it lost a lot of its management oversight in how the world gets run, and right now we have a mess to take care of. People that aren't interested in helping simply do not matter and will get fucking steamrolled if that's what it takes."
Stratfor has a pretty interesting analysis of the reactions of Europeans to American policy and presidents in the post WW2 timeframe.
The short version is: Western Europeans tend to like American presidents that don't rock the boat, and give Europe "veto power" over US foreign policy. The reason for this is that Europe stands to lose big in any blowback over US foreign policy disasters. Every cold-war scenario involved all of europe turning into a glass bowl, and Europe had no real say in the matter.
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Copypaste
"We simply disagree that he has done nothing," committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland told the AP on Tuesday. "He got the prize for what he has done."
Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.
"All these things have contributed to — I wouldn't say a safer world — but a world with less tension," Jagland said by phone from the French city of Strasbourg, where he was attending meetings in his other role as secretary-general of the Council of Europe.
He said most world leaders were positive about the award and that most of the criticism was coming from the media and from Obama's political rivals.
"I take note of it. My response is only the judgment of the committee, which was unanimous," he said, adding that the award to Obama followed the guidelines set forth by Alfred Nobel, the Swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite, who established the Nobel Prizes in his 1895 will.
"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year," Jagland said. "Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"
Aagot Valle, a left-wing Norwegian politician who joined the Nobel panel this year, also dismissed suggestions that the decision to award Obama was without merit.
"Don't you think that comments like that patronize Obama? Where do these people come from?" Valle said by phone from the western coastal city of Bergen. "Well, of course, all arguments have to be considered seriously. I'm not afraid of a debate on the peace prize decision. That's fine."
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thrash;291344 wrote:
I do not recognize the right of the rest of the world to pass judgement on the United States; it's sanction is irrelevant.really? seriously?
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Absolutely. Why would I?
I absolutely beleive in American exceptionalism. This is the only nation or political entity, I beleive in the history of time, that has formed its government on the sole premise of limiting the power of government to impugn on the intrinsic rights of its individual citizens.
That's important. Everyone else in the whole world is a subject. Americans are citizens. We rule ourselves, and we (and only we) retain the same force and authority as individuals that in all other nations have been delegated and reserved only for governors: individual Americans retain their natural-born right to retain the instruments of murder, destruction, and warfare, because ultimately it is only by these means that a man born free can long retain his freedom. Everywhere (here included), are men who fancy themselves your betters and would love nothing more than to make you their slaves.
Free for the sake of being free; that is the basis of American exceptionalism.
I don't rally against us going into pointless wars because I care about other countries. Other countries and other places do not meet the high bar set in our foundational documents [neither do we, lately sigh]. Some of these other places are nice to visit; none of them beleive an individual owns herself. All position the ruling class ahead of the individual.
If we go to war with Iran and I say I'm against it, it's not because I am super upset about the idea of us blowing up Iranians: to the extent that we have an open immigration policy [we don't any more, but I'd repair that], people choosing to stay in Iran have made their bed and can lie in it. Who would choose to live in a country that executes women who have "the nerve" to get raped? Should I shed a tear if we get into some kind of conflict with that government, culture, society, etc, and some of them get knocked off?
No, what would give me pause about going to war with Iran is the cost to us, in lives, dollars, and our sense of self respect. Is whatever issue we might have with them worth a single of our dollars or of our lives?
My idea of an America is the bully that wasn't. The strength and fortitude to do as we see fit, the wisdom to do only what is necessary. Necessary by who's standards? The only standard that matters -- our own.
America should have a passing interest in the rest of the world thinks, but it's merely an appeal to our national vanity, not something that matters. We shouldn't be out to piss people off, but some people will get butt hurt no matter what. Not our problem, but when someone makes it our problem, we should be sure to give them reason to think a bit more carefully in the future.
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