Forum article on "cars" sucks balls.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
I'd rather never have my car listed or mentioned in the paper, however both articles sucked, both articles were extremly biased and did not give a fair representation of the scene (lots of free advertising for tintmasters), and they only talked about the gay ricer shit.Would that be the "free" advertising where Shane pays out of his own pocket to sponsor a lane the track and allow anyone to race at a discounted rate on race nights, or the "free" advertising where Shane pays out of his own pocket to put on car shows with a dyno, DJ, and cars from all over where everyone can come and hang out and have a good time?
Just wondering, cause NO OTHER SHOPS ARE SPENDING ANY MONEY TO BENEFIT THE RACERS AND CAR ENTHUSIASTS OF THE FARGO-MOORHEAD AREA.
Does tintmasters sell "ricer" stuff? Yep. It sells too. And everyone that participates in tintmasters' events reap the benefits.
Nick, get a clue, you and your tintmasters bashing are getting old. How come you're not promoting ELITE all the time. THEY built YOUR 11.4 second(once, let's see you do it again) car.
Maybe I'm biased because tintmasters sponsor my bike. However, I have no problem with Nick and Kevin @ SLS, and I have no problem with Brett, Jake, and Troy @ AA&E(Hell, I buy gas off of them). I may not promote them, but I sure as hell don't trash them at every opportunity. Grow up.
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eff that shit needed to be said for so long! you dont even know the applause that you got for that... if i had 13 thous. to spend or uh... act like im gonna pay i would have a fast ass honda also then i could go around like my shit dont stink. but yea this is jerry by the way.
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I'm NOT saying that Tintmasters doesn't deserve credit for helping the scene here. I go to Tintmasters myself for parts and labor at times. Other times I go to Type-R, that's nothing against any of the other shops in town. I DO think that if the newspaper wants a fair and honest review of the local scene they NEED to include more than one shop. I know that Shane puts more money out for car shows and track days than any other tuner shop in town, I certainly won't/can't argue w/ that. Don't think anyone will. HOWEVER if it is a truly balanced article the paper should have included more than one shops opinion, not just the one that puts the most money into the sport. They could have easily said what I said above about the respective shops and also went on to say "Shane Noble at Tintmasters is really doing a lot to advance the sport/hobby in the area by sponsoring car shows as well as track events at the local 1/4 mile race track in Sabin....." The way the article was written it appears that Tintmasters is the only shop in town. I think that is what the original poster had meant when he posted his comment about the free advertising.
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tjamz wrote:
I DO think that if the newspaper wants a fair and honest review of the local scene they NEED to include more than one shop.
They did go to more than one shop. They went to Aurora. To satisfy what you are asking, they would have to go to every speed shop, parts supplier, custom shop, chrome shop, fabrication shop, etc... there is. Too many shops, not enough space in one article.tjamz wrote:
I know that Shane puts more money out for car shows and track days than any other tuner shop in town.
The ONLY money.tjamz wrote:
HOWEVER if it is a truly balanced article the paper should have included more than one shops opinion, not just the one that puts the most money into the sport.
Again, the ONLY money.tjamz wrote:
The way the article was written it appears that Tintmasters is the only shop in town.
That may be.tjamz wrote:
I think that is what the original poster had meant when he posted his comment about the free advertising.
I don't. -
2wheeler, I think your right on the money. As much as I sometimes disagree with tintmasters, they are THE ONLY shop in town with marketing abilities period. A business who does not market, does not exist in the eyes of corporate america. The forum is use to talking to business of notariety and with some of archivable documentation background usually relating to past events which in the business world tends to be marketing ventures. Shane is the only business in this town that has put out of his pocket (but as with all marketing ventures, in hopes to profit which is only to be expected of course) which does distinguish his shop from many others in this town. As well as Caleb may be in quality at Type R, or as many fast cars SLS pushes out, it's all about marketing. Now granted SLS must have some marketing abilities via internet with their services they provide to a wide array of customers over a much broader target market (geographically speaking) tintmasters has seem to be the predominate figure seemingly integrated/synthesized with the "tuner" crowd in the F-M area. With all the hard work done in their ventures, it is only deserved, whether you like them or not.
Now Shane, about that business software you might need for your prospering client base
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[QUOTE=2wheeler]They did go to more than one shop. They went to Aurora. To satisfy what you are asking, they would have to go to every speed shop, parts supplier, custom shop, chrome shop, fabrication shop, etc... there is. Too many shops, not enough space in one article. /QUOTE]
Very true, I didn't think of it that way and I certainly wasn't trying to argue w/ you. To be honest, (and in hindsight) if I were the Forum and I didn't know the scene all that well, I'd probably go to Tintmasters for insight for an article as well. They are definately the most visible (how many SLS or Type-R Stickers do you remember seeing compared to Tintmasters) and do have a pretty big share of the market IMHO so, again in hindsight, it would make sense to go with the "Big Dog" in town for information. I *personally *would have liked to have seen better representation of several import tuner shops AND classic hot-rod shops. I can't change who they decided to cover in the paper, so I guess there's no sense bitching about it.
HOWEVER, I think that either the guy misquoted everything in the Sunday edition or he/the people he talked to are idiots. The dual carb's thing had me shaking my head in disbelief. I guess I just expect more out of journalists.
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2wheeler wrote:
They did go to more than one shop. They went to Aurora. To satisfy what you are asking, they would have to go to every speed shop, parts supplier, custom shop, chrome shop, fabrication shop, etc... there is. Too many shops, not enough space in one article.2wheeler wrote:
The ONLY money.Wrong
2wheeler wrote:
Again, the ONLY money.Wrong again!
2wheeler wrote:
That may be.Again, wrong!!
2wheeler wrote:
I don't. .Lastly, he's Cartman (no kitty, thats my pot pie!!!) , what do you expect??
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damn this argument hit the 3 hour mark. great job jim and tufte for lettin 1 play out.
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I just have to say a couple things here.
- About spending money on car shows. Car shows are great, big deal, it's the same old shit every time you go to one. Yes I do go to car shows, but I'm usually disappointed to see just the same old stuff time after time. The car shows are for the "show" cars, which some people really like, but some really dont give a shit about.
And 2. About who has spent the most money on track sponsorship. Tintmasters sponsored the track for the full race season this year and as an added bonus they got the 7 Street Legal races. NO OTHER SHOPS were allowed to put on or sponsor any street legal races because of that. Yes it's great for Tintmasters, but bad for the rest of the shops around. When you aren't allowed to spend money to promote legal races, how the hell are you supposed to do it? I know of at least one other shop that tried their asses off to get a street legal event going this year but got nothing from the track. Yes one shop forked out the money to sponsor the track for the whole year, but what if one of the other full year track sponsors wanted a Street Legal race or 7? Would they get it? Probably, because they already spend $5000 or so to help the track pay it's employees. Now if the IDrags would let more than one shop sponsor Street Legal races, there could be events like that every weekend if everything went great. Honestly this year's Street Legal nights were lame compared to the few last year. There wasn't NEAR as many cars out there, which is odd to me.
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I got a little lead way insight froma source that the street legal drags way before the season started that they were going to happen either way wether or not somebody sponsored them or not.
Anyways, i dont wanna start an argument over it because it'd be stupid, just stating some facts
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This is funny how one comment can explode like that. I'll start with Jerry and go from there:
Jerry> You may want to get your facts straight before you start talkin shit. Should I have had you build my motor for me? Maybe then the head gasket would leak right away, or fuck it'd probably have 5-6 check engine lights and no vtec, but those are normal right? The swap I finished two weeks ago left without any.
I have no problem with Shane or tintmasters in general, but I have a problem with people such as you who think you know everything yet cannot back up what you say. Those 14s sure are fast aren't they?Ethan> I've never denied Elite worked on my car. Why would I? I don't really care who did it still runs and I've been driving it for 3 fuckin years now without a problem. Big deal. Back when that project started it was out of the ordinary for any Honda to really have that much shit done to it around here. Fuck, we were shooting for a max of 300 whp. The same setup 3 years later did almost 465 at the wheels but that must be lame. If it came down to doing it again, I'll do it myself. It doesn't really concern me. As far as the 11.4 one time goes, it'll happen again and it will be faster. My car doesn't even move right now. It's sitting at the shop awaiting a new clutch as well as a computer.
Roadsounds doesn't sponsor the track because it's the "Tintmasters" nights. It's nobody elses nights, and there is no option to make it anyone elses nights.
Roadsounds is almost single-handedly responsible for the SCCA auto-x that is happening in this state. If it wouldn't have been for us 2 years ago, auto-x would have probably never taken off again. We fronted the cost for the insurance and equipment to make it happen during Motor Magic, and the guy we had help us is now the director of the Bad Lands region SCCA, but what do we do for anyone?
And if either of you would liek to discuss this further go ahead and stop by the store. I'm there from 10 am to 7 pm every day. Jerry you can also stop by and check out O'Gormans car. It runs, has vtec, everything.
Also does anyone have some cheesypoofs?
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DAMN...... fatass sounds like sombodys pissed off..truth must hurt hu? im not even gonna comment on mikes civic because there is way to much to even mention... about comming by the shop to discuss this more which shop is that? because your such a shop leech i cant figure out which one you claim to work at this month...its amazing i go to minot and people there say the same things they say here about you. im not gonna sit here and bla bla bla out drama thats your job. You act like such a tough guy from behind the comp. totally diff. story in person. anybody that knows me will tell you that i will back up my shit up... now go ahead and respond to this like the internet geek you are....we both know what will happen face to face.
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Nah you see I work at roadsounds. 10-7 everyday. Remote starters, etc that sort of thing. If you'd like to come by you can. You want to start shit that's fine by me, just calling you out on some shit that needed to be said.
Here are some links to some honda-tech articles where you're were wondering about your car burning oil, or how to time your car, etc. But you are ASE certified right and a honda god right?
Heres one where you said you bought your car w/ the swap in it:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=801911
Another one where you didn't know what cylinder was #1:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=809503
Burning Oil:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=811294
Timing Problems:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=812391
I'm not lookin for a fist fight, never have, never will that's not what I do. But if you want to swing I guess you can. If it will make you a bigger man than so be it. Also I hear there is a guy named Corey w/ a CRX waiting to run into you again. He'll be at the track in October from what I hear.
Just a friendly invite to come over and see what we've got goin on and how to wire a swap. I have pictures of that swap from when it came in the door that I've never posted because I felt they didn't need to be posted, but if you'd like I can also post those too. Anyways this is my last post and if you want to bitch about it more you can all you want.
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4ornia wrote:
DAMN...... fatass sounds like sombodys pissed off..truth must hurt hu? im not even gonna comment on mikes civic because there is way to much to even mention... about comming by the shop to discuss this more which shop is that? because your such a shop leech i cant figure out which one you claim to work at this month...its amazing i go to minot and people there say the same things they say here about you. im not gonna sit here and bla bla bla out drama thats your job. You act like such a tough guy from behind the comp. totally diff. story in person. anybody that knows me will tell you that i will back up my shit up... now go ahead and respond to this like the internet geek you are....we both know what will happen face to face.internet geek....lol.....wait that's me too
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GSR - Well, thank you to Roadsounds for bring auto-x to everywhere BUT Fargo.
Nick - Tintmasters STARTED the street legal nights. Its easy to take someone else's idea and go with it.
Troy - The car shows may not have "show car quality" cars, but, my point is, at least someone is trying to put some on. They are fun, and actually give everyone from every shop a chance to hang out together. Isn't what this is kinda all about? Wouldn't it be cool if everyone could hang out together? The car shows and race nights are about the only times where you will see someone from every shop/club in the same place. They are all there for the same reason. Give me an SLS or AA&E show with a bike class, and I'll enter. No bike class? I'll go and support the show anyways.
As far as attendance being down? I can't make people go to the track. If they don't go cause they don't like tintmasters...their problem, not mine. It's up to every individual to decide whether they are going to support stuff. When, other shops have events, I'll try my hardest to support them.
I'm not hating on shops other than tintmasters. I was defending a quote on how their advertising is "free". As usual, defending one shop turns into a 20 page fight between people who are loyal to other shops.
And, I'm not looking for a response(see internet fight) from this, so Jim, please feel free to lock it if you see fit.
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