day of illegal leeches
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i thought of that to.
get the amazing racist there to to crack a few jokes.
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You guys are sort of missing the point. They're here already. Been here for years, probably decades. They didn't just recently all flood here. They pay sales taxes when they buy things just like you and I. Now I am not saying it is right for them to be here, but what I'm trying to get at is that they are really sticking their heads out there with the risk of being deported to make a statement.
Think about that for a second. Their home countries are probably shittier than shit, and they probably had a gruesome ordeal making their way here to the United States. Now they are throwing it all away? It probably is a pretty big issue. Things are probably really tough for them, and all legality aside it's hard not to feel bad if you really get to know their situation.
I say give them a bit of leeway here, shut down the borders tight so no more can come in, and then make the legal immigration process a little easier so they don't have to avoid the law.
You don't know what it's like to live in fear.
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To say that we should give them leeway is complete stupidity. It's true that their home countries suck so they "illegaly" enter the USA. They then think that they have certain rights because they are here now. How fair is that to real immigrants that have come over to America legally and jumped through all the hoops to do so. (I know of at least one that frequents this site). I think they should count their blessings that they haven't been caught and deported and not look a gift horse in the mouth so-to-speak. They have been getting away with being in our country for countless years because noone has made big waves and our govt. has had bigger fish to fry. Bt now that it's out in the open, I don't think they have too good of a chance of getting what they want. The law is the law and I expect that eventually, it will be enforced.
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People try blowing this whole situation into a "if you don't give them some leeway you're racist" it seems, which really pisses me off and i'm sure you others as well. The whole situation can be boiled down to this....If they want to be here so bad then they should be willing to get here legally. If not then it basically seems they're too lazy to go through the legal process of becomming a citizen and are breaking the law from day 1 hour 1 second 1 of entering this country. Too lazy to come here legally then stay the hell out.
Another thing that pisses me off is that they have more rights than citizens when it comes to breaking the laws and soforth too. I don't remember the situation but our Gov/Econ teacher was talking about it recently and it's absolutly retarded what they can get away with vs. what a citizen would be punished with.
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AcesHigh wrote:
You guys are sort of missing the point. They're here already. Been here for years, probably decades. They didn't just recently all flood here. They pay sales taxes when they buy things just like you and I. Now I am not saying it is right for them to be here, but what I'm trying to get at is that they are really sticking their heads out there with the risk of being deported to make a statement.Think about that for a second. Their home countries are probably shittier than shit, and they probably had a gruesome ordeal making their way here to the United States. Now they are throwing it all away? It probably is a pretty big issue. Things are probably really tough for them, and all legality aside it's hard not to feel bad if you really get to know their situation.
I say give them a bit of leeway here, shut down the borders tight so no more can come in, and then make the legal immigration process a little easier so they don't have to avoid the law.
You don't know what it's like to live in fear.
let's just burn up the entire bill of rights while we're at it. None of them have the right to be here without getting approved by whoever does that shit and getting a license. again, nobody has said if theyre here LEGALLY, they don't mind them in the country. But me, along with many others know that theyre here illegally...doesn't roll right. -
i totaly agree with you. especailly when some off the tax money we pay goes to them.
but on the other hand out on the dairy farms for example where i am from the illegals are some of the hardest workers that are there because they know what its like to not have money and any rights. one summer i was out there for a month and there were 5 people sent back to mexico in less then a month from a community of less then 300. so the gov is doing something about it.
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My dad works for CIS/INS by the way. He deals with these cases all the time.
Anyways some of you don't seem to realize how long it actually takes to be admitted into the US legally. 10-20 years, this is not even an exaggeration. Alot of the time with these people, by the time they make it to the US they're in their late middle ages and have immense problems finding a job due to not only age but langauge barrier. Sometimes it seems more worth it to sneak in and then seek citizenship later on. Sometimes they probably won't survive in their native country very long and it becomes an act of desperation.
I really don't think this has anything to do with racism at all. And I am not saying illegal immigration is right at all. Nor that these people should be given complete amnesty. I am simply saying that there is another side to this story above face value that some people should consider before they are so quick to judge.
These are people, too.
PS Illegal immigrants don't get off light. I mean yeah they don't get flogged or anything, but they do get deported with no future chance of ever getting back in and also tried for the crime in their own country.
And also they get ZERO tax money. They don't have a tax return. They cannot apply for food stamps. They cannot apply for financial support. They get nothing from us.
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they dont get a tax return because they dont pay taxes. they do not get food stamps because they dont have a social security number. It takes balls to come here illegally then protest because they are in danger of being sent back. They knew what they were doing was illegal, and now they are afraid of the consequences? I say too bad. The only reasons there are programs such as financial aid and food stamps is because we pay taxes, thats why the title of this thread is appropriate.
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jobs...
..they dont pay taxes for those jobs either
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AcesHigh wrote:
My dad works for CIS/INS by the way. He deals with these cases all the time.Anyways some of you don't seem to realize how long it actually takes to be admitted into the US legally. 10-20 years, this is not even an exaggeration. Alot of the time with these people, by the time they make it to the US they're in their late middle ages and have immense problems finding a job due to not only age but langauge barrier. Sometimes it seems more worth it to sneak in and then seek citizenship later on. Sometimes they probably won't survive in their native country very long and it becomes an act of desperation.
These are people, too.
None of which excuses them for coming here illegally nor does it mean that we have to be leanient on them. The cold hard fact is that there are alot of not so desireable countries out there that their citizens want out of but the USA only has so much room and just turning the cheek to the illegal immigrants already here would only make it more likely that more and more immigrants would enter here illegally. You can't take them all in and the legal process is set in place to make sure the already overcrouded areas where these immigrants live (for the most part)don't get anymore overcrowded. (theres other reasons as well).
Not to sound so selfish and heartless here. But if we let this happen and let them get away with it, the problem will get alot worse. And a good portion of illegals that are here are also homeless. We already have a homeless problem as it is. Lets not make it worse.
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My family had to change their damn name to get into this country, the least they can do is register as legal immigrants. I have no problems with them at all being here, as long as they legal. In fact, I find myself a lot of times thinking higher of Hispanics/Mexicans than most people. Don't get me wrong, they are hard workers, but please do it legally like the rest of us had to do. I do give them credit for their work because generally it is top notch. IDK I don't think they really see the big picture.
Edit: We had to change our name because it wasn't "American" enough...I know it was more common than people think. How many have really looked into their heritage and traced their last name to the home country?
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Terrible.
Obviously for the most part indirectly affecting North Dakota, but fuck the racist card, and that garbage.
So its ok for 600,000 Russains to come here, work for 10years and then just protest for equality because they came here illegally and have no rights to begin with? Lets just open boarders for all freeloaders. On top of paying for a war on terror, $3 a gallon for gas, I really get sick to my stomach thinking about the fact that I am paying for illegal imigrants and there freaking childeren that are born here that are now legal by default, who shouldnt be here in the first damn place.
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Saw a news report about it tonight; found it interesting.. Since they were pretty much saying the protest was more so Political and how they are hating on the laws, but yet giving that these people aren't even legal citizens, can they even VOTE? Not to caught up on those laws so I'm not even sure; but the point is, if that be true; wouldn't it make them more so hypocrites for not trying to get legal citizenship to vote towards those laws they don't like? But one good point standed that they mentioned; if they did pretty much give up on all work, all that cheap labor they do, would have to replaced, by people who would probably demand more and than prices would go up.. But for all immigrants to give up work would risk their job + it would also mean no $$; so I doubt it'd ever happen
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AcesHigh wrote:
And also they get ZERO tax money. They don't have a tax return. They cannot apply for food stamps. They cannot apply for financial support. They get nothing from us.Sorry your wrong here. They go to school here, they have kids here, they use the roads, etc etc... tax dollars pay for more then just food stamps, welfare and such...
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actually, in California (and possibly other states) they can get food stamps, welfare, etc... The loophole that is being exploited is that if they have a child in the US, that child becomes a citizen automatically and that entitles the child to the benefits of this country which in turn gives the parents the right to receive welfare/social assistance on that child.
Think about it this way, if an airline started smuggling people from Iraq/Afghanistan into this country illegally they would be brought up on charges of supporting terrorism and the immigrants that they smuggled would be placed probably in Guantanamo Bay w/ other terrorists. I think that is exactly what we should do with anyone trying to enter our country illegally. Arrest them on suspicion of terrorist activitiy (being a burden on our economy is just as bad as anything else and has a longer term affect) and jail them in a terrorist holding camp until they can go to trial. How do we know that Al Qaeda hasn't infiltrated into Mexico? It would make sense and it would be easy to do...obviously the border isn't very secure down there so getting potential terrorists into this country would be easy and converting people to your beliefs would be rather easy if you had enough money.
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.......and you guys all thought that I was so far Left that I couldn't see what was Right.......
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tjamz, besides being extremely paranoid(hit the bong lately?), attempting to send every illegal to Gitmo would be pointless and impossible. Imagine the costs of funding a prison of that size, it costs billions as is. Illegal immigrants biggest impact on this country is its role in weakening the "middle class". Who benefits from cheap labor? The wealthy. Paying people peanuts to do a job that could command a real wage is a punch in the face of every working man and woman. It wasn't long ago that everyone was talking about job outsourcing and the outrage of people whose jobs were being filled by people in India for half the wage. Why are we not outraged that someone illegally in this country could take your job, not because they are more qualified, but because they will do the job for a third of what they pay you? This country we call home is on a bullet train in the wrong direction, when will we stand up and make that known? Seal the borders and streamline the immigration process! Viva revolucion!
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98sh wrote:
tjamz, besides being extremely paranoid(hit the bong lately?), attempting to send every illegal to Gitmo would be pointless and impossible. Imagine the costs of funding a prison of that size, it costs billions as is. Illegal immigrants biggest impact on this country is its role in weakening the "middle class". Who benefits from cheap labor? The wealthy. Paying people peanuts to do a job that could command a real wage is a punch in the face of every working man and woman. It wasn't long ago that everyone was talking about job outsourcing and the outrage of people whose jobs were being filled by people in India for half the wage. Why are we not outraged that someone illegally in this country could take your job, not because they are more qualified, but because they will do the job for a third of what they pay you? This country we call home is on a bullet train in the wrong direction, when will we stand up and make that known? Seal the borders and streamline the immigration process! Viva revolucion!Paranoid, not at all, and I strongly resent the implication that I have been hitting the bong, in fact I think you must have been high to come up with that kind of comment. I just see illegal immigration as one of the single most serious threats to this countries security and financial stability. I know that we can't send them all to Gitmo, as it is completely impracticle, the point I was trying to get across with that statement is that I think they should be treated as any other threat to our country is treated...with strict consequences. Groups crossing into this country illegally (IMO) are a threat to our well being and should be dealt with forcefully. If you tried to fly a plane into this country illegally you would be shot down if you failed to stop and noone would think twice about it. If you tried to crash the gates at the border with a car/truck/van/etc you would be shot if you failed to comply withpolice orders. Why is this any different? I can virtually guarantee you that if we actually tightened security at our borders by adding significantly more armed police officers to patrol it the immigration would slow to a trickle, if not stop entirely. It would cost us 30billion to provide enough border security to stop illegals....approximately what it costs us every 3 months in Iraq and I think it would be a much better return on our investment. Then I think we should do a full scale round up of current illegals and deport them immediately. They have no rights under our constitution to stand trial as they are not citizens of this country. Deport them and let them come back the legal way (if they are so deserving).
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