Should Roger Maris still hold the record?
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.......and another point I want to make is that you can't just pick on ONE guy. How many role players out there used steriods and got the big hit to win a game? What if that game was the difference to make the playoffs? One simple play or hit by a player using steriods would be considered cheating. If this play saved a season or contributed to a playoff run and they won the world series. There are many good plays that win games during the season and these definatley could make a difference. All I am saying is no stat, win, or record is justified if we are going to continue to pick on ONE player.....
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so during the 1990s, bonds goes for 40 homers or more 3 times,
and from 2000-2006, he does it 5 times, and hes 35-40 years of age... Name one other player who has a statistic boom on the downside of his career the impact that bonds's did.
what dont you guys get??
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STiSchucky wrote:
so during the 1990s, bonds goes for 40 homers or more 3 times,and from 2000-2006, he does it 5 times, and hes 35-40 years of age... Name one other player who has a statistic boom on the downside of his career the impact that bonds's did.
what dont you guys get??
Brett boone, Rapheal Palmero, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Steve Finley, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Ivan Rodriguez, David Ortiz, manny rameriez,Juan Gonzalez, Frank Thomas,migueal tejada, alex rodriguez, gary sheffield, jason giambi, etc...... all of them got better with age,steriods or maybe both (you decide) Players get wiser and smarter the older they get.
what part dont you get that he was NOT THE ONLY PLAYER USING THEM........
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STiSchucky wrote:
yea your righthttp://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1937594
kthxbye
WTF is your point? I never said he didn't USE steroids, nor am I backing him in any way. He cheated plain and simple. I'm just saying that taking the record from him and implying that McGuire merely used andro is ridiculous, IMO. They are both cheaters and both knowingly took steroids. -
as for McGwire and Sosa, they both peaked at about 10 years in, which would put them at what...31 to 34? Bonds didn't peak really for about 15 years putting him in his late 30's. Also, and I'm not a baseball fan at all, they could shut down the whole league for all I care, Bonds didn't really bulk up until late in his career which also leads me to believe that there was some sort of performance enhancing drugs going on. McGwire has always been a pretty big guy, same w/ Sosa. I just don't understand how someone improves that much that late in their career. Late 20's early 30's yes, you would get better through those times I think, after that I find it harder to believe.
Again, I vote for abolishing baseball all together.
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Here is where I got my info from in case you were wondering.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlbhist/alltime/leaders?breakdown=2&year=0&type=0&sort=8
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Actually when Mcgwire and Sosa came up they were skinny. Mcgwire got big after a couple of years at oakland thanks to jose canseco. All I really care about is that they quit picking on one player and focus on everybody. In essence it was a league of steriod/greenie users playing against each other. They are starting to get it right now and that is all that matters...
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tjamz wrote:
as for McGwire and Sosa, they both peaked at about 10 years in, which would put them at what...31 to 34? Bonds didn't peak really for about 15 years putting him in his late 30's. Also, and I'm not a baseball fan at all, they could shut down the whole league for all I care, Bonds didn't really bulk up until late in his career which also leads me to believe that there was some sort of performance enhancing drugs going on. McGwire has always been a pretty big guy, same w/ Sosa. I just don't understand how someone improves that much that late in their career. Late 20's early 30's yes, you would get better through those times I think, after that I find it harder to believe.Again, I vote for abolishing baseball all together.
McGuire was 35 when he hit 70 in '98. Bonds was 37 in 2001. Not a big difference at all. Now, if you want to say that there was some crazy appearance of power by Bonds when he hit 73, take this into consideratin...Bonds had 10 seasons of 30 or more homers and four seasons of over 40 before he went for 73. When Maris hit 61, he had one season of over 30 homers and none of at least 40 under his belt. That is a huge increase in a minimal amount of time. Going from a regular Joe to the single season home run king is more telling of steroid use than a seasoned superstar with tons of homers under his belt becoming the single season leader. -
HandoEX wrote:
WTF is your point? I never said he didn't USE steroids, nor am I backing him in any way. He cheated plain and simple. I'm just saying that taking the record from him and implying that McGuire merely used andro is ridiculous, IMO. They are both cheaters and both knowingly took steroids.
You said he never tested postive, I left you a link saying he did...'unknowingly'. We all know he took roids, we all know theres baseball cheating. Nobody focuses/nor gives a shit about the others cause 95% of america hates barry bonds, wants to see him fail chasing aarons home run record(probably the toughest record to break in ALL of professional sports), I dont know the homerun total for sosa, mcgwire did for their careers but I know it wasn't legitmately close to breaking like what Bonds is.I personally don't want to see Barry get the record cause I hate him.
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Again, I am calling for an all out ban on MLB
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99slowGSX wrote:
Brett boone, Rapheal Palmero, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Steve Finley, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Ivan Rodriguez, David Ortiz, manny rameriez,Juan Gonzalez, Frank Thomas,migueal tejada, alex rodriguez, gary sheffield, jason giambi, etc...... all of them got better with age,steriods or maybe both (you decide) Players get wiser and smarter the older they get.what part dont you get that he was NOT THE ONLY PLAYER USING THEM........
Brett Boone-lol, yea he was great in minnesota.
Raphel-obviously tested positive but only hit like 550 homers or somethin
Steve Finley-who cares?
Roger, Pedro and Randy- Have always put up Cy young numbers season in, season out, cant you give credit accept them as all time great pitchers?
Ortiz-Just blew up(not like that) in boston, guess he hated minnesota?Im not even goin to go through the rest, Sheffield and Giambi are both skeptical for taking steroids, where Giambi openingly admitted to getting shots of steroids in the ass.
and arod is just flat out good
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yeah, but at least golf is interesting....
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bader3245 wrote:
baseball is fuking homo and is about as athletic as golf......ok ricky charmichael
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99slowGSX wrote:
lol....right. I wonder if you could even hit a baseball, nontheless a golf ball.I did not say it didnt take a certin amout of skill, just look at all the golfers, pitchers, 1st basemen....they are all fat fuckers....you dont have to be in Amazing condition to do those sports competitivly.
I mean, my roomates posses the skill of being homo and laying down some made game at Halo, but that dont make them athletic.
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bader3245 wrote:
I did not say it didnt take a certin amout of skill, just look at all the golfers, pitchers, 1st basemen....they are all fat fuckers....you dont have to be in Amazing condition to do those sports competitivly.I mean, my roomates posses the skill of being homo and laying down some made game at Halo, but that dont make them athletic.
baseball players are some of the most athletic athletes, you dont see too many fat asses playing. there are some, but make up the minority.
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