Get Out and Vote
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tjamz wrote:
Then there is the matter of National Deficit. We owe a shit-ton of money to China and other countries that will have to be paid back at some point in time if we want to stay a leader in the global economy. If my memory is correct, we borrowed 83% of all money that was borrowed between countries TOTAL....Australia was a close 2nd with 7% of the total money borrowed. What is your solution to this? Me, I'd rather roll back tax cuts on the wealthiest people in this country (who were given this break under the bush administration) and make them pay their fair share, rather than borrow it from a communist country such as China. Bush is like a 18 year old with their first credit card. He has no plan on how to pay the money back, but that doesn't stop him from running up the bill to the point where all we'll ever do is pay and pay and pay some other country interest thereby building up a country that I could have sworn was Communist and everything that republicans hate...maybe they flip-floppedi do believe they recently passed another 70 billion dollar budget for the war.
i agree. trickle down economics DOESNT WORK. give the low and middle classes the breaks. theyre the ones that actually need the money. youll get way more money by increasing taxes on the rich than by taxing everyone else even more than they already are.
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MisterCMK wrote:
The United States does not need to get involved in North Korea. At this point they are of little threat to us. This is one situation best left to the countries that surroud NK and the UN. The United States shouldn't have to be the international babysitter that we have been.normally id agree completely, but north korea also said that they would sell nuclear weapons to anyone who wanted them, including any and all terrorist organizations.
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amicheze wrote:
i agree. trickle down economics DOESNT WORK. give the low and middle classes the breaks. theyre the ones that actually need the money. youll get way more money by increasing taxes on the rich than by taxing everyone else even more than they already are.Middle/lower class not only NEED the money, they spend the money at local businesses who in turn pay their employees, who in turn spend the money at more local businesses, who in turn pay their employees. I'm pretty sure a $20k tax break to someone that has $10million in liquid assets doesn't mean as much as a $200 tax break does to me and my family.
Having said that....flat tax is my best answer with ZERO deductions other than children and medical expenses. I'd be willing to bet that a FLAT 5 to 10% would take us out of debt FAST (haven't crunched the numbers on this yet)
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Oh, and have we actually confirmed that N Korea actually detonated a nuke? The last reports I've heard (and its been a while since I paid attention) is that there was virtually no radio-active activity at the site of the detonation and that it may have been a hoax intended to bring us back to the bargaining table?
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STiSchucky wrote:
i usually fall asleep during politic threads now.but im goin to go out on a limb and say the UN is absolutely worthless and to never listen to what they have to say.
United Nations doesnt do shit.
The UN itself is pretty much a joke, except for the fact that it brings the world together to discuss issues. A UN peace keeping program or oil for food program is a 100% joke, it never works like its supposed to.
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tjamz wrote:
Oh, and have we actually confirmed that N Korea actually detonated a nuke? The last reports I've heard (and its been a while since I paid attention) is that there was virtually no radio-active activity at the site of the detonation and that it may have been a hoax intended to bring us back to the bargaining table?unfortunately today i heard it really was a nuclear blast.
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Ok, fair enough...I hadn't heard in a while.
BTW, Torbs, you really haven't addressed any of my points yet.
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I think at this point both parties suck...but because one party is for abortion overall and the other isn't, my vote is for republican. I personally think Bush is at least trying to fix the problems even though he is making mistakes along the way. Dems want to just have power and ignore all the problems. The economy has little to do with who is in office...it just so happens that the market like the republicans in office since they are "pro-business". The economy goes in cycles and that's a fact of life, whether dems or repubs are in office. One way to fix 99% of all the problems is to have term limits in place and then they'll both actually get something done!! My sig says the rest.
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Ill buy that bumper sticker!!!
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fallguy wrote:
I think at this point both parties suck...but because one party is for abortion overall and the other isn't, my vote is for republican. I personally think Bush is at least trying to fix the problems even though he is making mistakes along the way. Dems want to just have power and ignore all the problems. The economy has little to do with who is in office...it just so happens that the market like the republicans in office since they are "pro-business". The economy goes in cycles and that's a fact of life, whether dems or repubs are in office. One way to fix 99% of all the problems is to have term limits in place and then they'll both actually get something done!! My sig says the rest.I agree, neither party is worth a shit right now. I am not pro-choice, but I am not 100% anti-abortion either. I just think it is WAY to easy to have an abortion and that more limits should be put on it. To be honest, this is the #1 thing I disagree with Dems on. East Coast Democrats do not meet my criteria of what I'm looking for in a political party, they are generally way to far to the left. My problem with Bush is that I don't see him making changes along the way, its always "Stay the course" with everything. As for term limits.....HELL YEAH! Lets get rid of career politicians. HOWEVER, this only works if this is universal throughout the country as we still have to deal with the seniority issue if (for example) one state has term limits and 49 do not. You are correct though about the economy, it does tend to cycle (as it should) but things that the presidents say and/or do can and does influence the market. As for having power and ignoring problems, which problems do you speak of? Terrorism? Its foolish to think that terrorism will ever end, there will always be a group of people who hate the USA and what it stands for and killing terrorists does nothing to stop terrorism (in fact it may strengthen the resolve of other terrorists.) Why are we so afraid to talk with leaders of countries/organizations that are different from us? I was always taught that it takes a bigger man to talk out their issues than it does to just start fighting right away. Will it work all the time? ABSOLUTELY NOT! And if it doesn't, then by all means, bring out the big guns. But what if we were able to prevent a few wars by talking instead of bombing? Wouldn't that be worth it? We talk about a world economy, well its kind of hard to have one if some of the countries are being left out...so what do they do? They act like children and throw a temper tantrum and break some stuff to try and draw attention to themselves hoping that we'll sit down and try to talk with them about what they can do to get their way instead of us just giving them a spanking. I'm pretty sure that we can all agree that spanking won't solve all the problems with children and should only be done in extreme cases of misbehaviour...same principle applies to war.
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tjamz wrote:
and killing terrorists does nothing to stop terrorism <snip>Why are we so afraid to talk with leaders of countries/organizations that are different from us? I was always taught that it takes a bigger man to talk out their issues than it does to just start fighting right away.
I think that first quote is funny. How would you recommend we stop (or slow) terrorism? Leave them alone and hope they don't attack us again? Try to reason with them? The main problem I see with doing anything other than killing the terrorists is that it doesn't address the problem. The problem is that they want to kill us and destroy everything we stand for.
I don't follow what you are talking about re: afraid to talk to others, are you referring to North Korea? Or something else? I'm not aware of a country that we are afraid to talk to.
DaveH
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I caught a great show about the war in Iraq last night on PBS, I believe it was called "The Lost Year in Iraq". It was a Frontline documentary outlining the mistakes made which have gotten us into this mess. If you stand up and defend the current "leaders" of this country you should be examined for a mental disorder. Every politician that stood down or stood up and allowed this war to happen has blood on their hands. We have soilders dying in a war that will not be won, in a country that will be worse off then when we entered it, and all the while here we sit. We are a disgrace.
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ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? PBS is so notoriously liberal it's not even funny, ESPECIALLY Frontline.
If you believe that show you should be examined for a mental disorder.
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I agree...PBS is pretty far left on most things (I don't even watch it....for that reason)
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DaveH wrote:
I think that first quote is funny. How would you recommend we stop (or slow) terrorism? Leave them alone and hope they don't attack us again? Try to reason with them? The main problem I see with doing anything other than killing the terrorists is that it doesn't address the problem. The problem is that they want to kill us and destroy everything we stand for.I don't follow what you are talking about re: afraid to talk to others, are you referring to North Korea? Or something else? I'm not aware of a country that we are afraid to talk to.
What I was getting at was that literally the only way to end the war in Iraq is to either:
A. Kill everyone over there, thereby eliminating all the terrorists
B. Sit down and negotiate a cease-fire.
Throughout the history of the world, those are the only 2 ways wars have ever ended.
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