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4doorsslow wrote:
personally i carry and i feel safe where i live but do i wanna be caught nekid somewhere when i don't feel safe and reach for it and its gone nope..I am glad that I am not put in the position where I feel that the need to carry a gun to feel safe. Especially in Bismarck ND.:rolleyes:
Talk about some stupid logic. I could rant on about this but I wont so...I ask:
What good is going to come from you carrying a gun around???.
Obviously you choose to live the life you live, and the only person who forces you to make choices in your life is yourself. Also you are the only person that can put yourself in a situation where you feel a gun is beneficial.
Personally I would not put myself in that situation. If I were I would do something positive to transform my lifestyle to make it a non issue in my life.
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tweak wrote:
I don't know about fargo or bismarck, but I've read on the Minot Police department's website that Officer's in Minot are ONLY allowed to carry 9mm or .45ACP/AUTO, in semi automatic, of reputable manufacture. Meaning .357, .40, .44, and 10mm are not allowed by the Minot PD.Furthermore as to your post, don't be so quick to label a 9mm a pussy gun. Perhaps they are smaller and have less "stopping power", but please remember that a .22 if placed properly is a lethal round.
I speak from personal experience when I say this, but I personally went from carrying a Walther P99 .40 to a P99 9mm because of the larger mag capacity, the more affordable ammo(winchester white box in 9mm is almost half the cost of .40), and overall it's a smaller frame which is easier to conceal.
Furthermore the "stopping power" of a round is not calculated merely by velocity or caliber. It depends on the trauma caused by the round. That is, to say that a .40 FMJ is deadlier than a 9mm JHP would be a false statement. Full metal jacketed rounds are designed more or less to go through objects, in modern ammunition FMJ is most commonly used for target rounds, and in LE/military situations for armor piercing rounds.
Jacketed hollow points on the other hand are designed to mushroom, which will cause a lot more trauma than the FMJ round.
Most cops are trained to be just as lethal with a .22 as with a 9mm, .40, .45, or any larger bore weapon. The emphasis is not on caliber or muzzle velocity, or even weight(grain). Sure most agencies have standards and requirements/recommendations. However when ANY law enforcement agent is trained, be it border patrol, city, county, state, or federal, the emphasis is not on the weapon or cartridge itself. The ephasis is on SHOT PLACEMENT.
You can shoot someone in the leg with a 12 gauge, most damage it can do, sever the limb, they can bleed out if medical treatment is not received in time, however, they would still have time to shoot back.
If you shoot someone in the upper spine(between the shoulders and the base of the skull) with a .22, you can paralyze them from the neck down and would have no ability to shoot back.
Caliber does not matter, shot placement does.
I think I worded that wrong as I look at it. What I meant was first off, yes many police departments are being smart and switching to .40's and .45's rather than the 9mm rounds. I meant that the police were usually outgunned fairly easily because almost anything better than a rock can stop you easier than a 9mm round. I wasn't even considering FMJ rounds because honestly who carries FMJ's for self defense? You'd be retarded to NOT carry hollow points for personal protection.
Shot placement, yeah thats all that matters, and for the most part police (and people in general) suck at shot placement when a shootout occurs. You could kill a bear with a pellet gun if you shot it in the eye, but do you honestly think you'd have the time/balls to hold up, stop, aim, and shoot the bear in the eye as it was chasing you down? No. Do you honestly think police officers have enough time to stop, aim at someones head/spine, and shoot? No. What happens is a confrontation occurs and they make a split second decision to shoot. If it were me in their shoes I'd want to make damn sure that the rounds I was shooting would have stopping power. I've seen pictures of people that were shot IN THE FACE with a 9mm round and it lodged right below their nose and they survived. That wouldn't happen with a .40, .22, .357mag, .44mag, .50, etc.
That basically is what I was trying to say.
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Parker wrote:
yes i said i was above the law<----- sarcasim.... did i ever once say i was above the law?
Yes, you explicitly implied it in your postParker wrote:
do you have a reading problem? maybe you need to get some glasses....
No, I have 20/15 visionParker wrote:
i just said they usualy think twice about pulling you over just to pull you over a.k.a. for something stupid.... like for instance i was listening to my scanner (which i now know is illegal to have in a motor vehicle regardless if it works or not) and they were profiling some little honda with a fart can... but they didnt have any legit reason to pull him/her over.... so they go "well, his liscense plate has a little bit of snow on it".... and they pulled him/her over for that.... that i classify as stupid shit....
Now just so I understand, "stupid shit" is the gray area between legal and illegal and there is usually some form of profiling involved.Parker wrote:
i never said that they would'nt pull you over for doing sothing illegal.... i always kept my nose clean, but yet since i drove a loud lil import they would "profile me"(pulling me over for doing a burnout in a AWD CAR!!!)..... now they dont.... they dont bug me over stupid shit anymore...
Quit changing your story.
Which is it now? The cops don't pull you over because you carry, or because you got rid of your fartcan shitbox car.Parker wrote:
so with your logic.... you think that everyone that has a permit to carry is above the law? well.... then i would have to say going by your logic that everyone get a permit to carry:icon_joker:
and thanks for moving it to "run your mouth" Wes.. i was just going to ask someone to do it
Not my logic, your fucking logic from your fucking post where you fucking said that cops think twice about pulling you over.Reading comprehension, you should try it sometime.
Parker wrote:
well.... cops quit bugging me ever since i obtained a license to carry... they usualy think twice about pulling you over for stupid shit.... and i usualy do carry..... at least in my car
According to you the cops are started shaking in their boots as soon as you got a permit, so again please explain why???Do you need protection from the drug dealers or the cops, or both?
What happens if you get pulled over for "stupid shit" now that you carry? Are you going to bring the fury or what? -
e-fighting FTL...............
and just to backup parker on the whole "stupid shit" thing...
I was there with the scanner at the time...the cops were trying to find some reason to pull a guy over...they seemed to be brainstorming on anything they could do it with. Yes, pullin him over right after there was a blizzard last year because his licience plate "was partially covered by snow" was brought up. Whether they actually did pull him over for that reason is unknown...
that's what happened in a nutshell
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BSBMODZ wrote:
lol, anyone up for some street racing?sure, whatcha got?
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thurmanmerman wrote:
ive <u>never</u> gotten a ticket... and i have driven over 100+ going down the cities before... been pulled over plenty of times but never a ticket
ur lucky i got a 500 ticket and 8 points for reckless driving cuz i spun my tires for like a second....but i got it down to 3 points in court -
I just got a ticket this morning going to school. I deserved it, I didn't stop completely at a stop sign when I was taking a right because there was nobody else at the intersection and I didn't want to be late for class....I ended up being late for class anyways.
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Seven1 wrote:
Yes, you explicitly implied it in your postNo, I have 20/15 vision
Now just so I understand, "stupid shit" is the gray area between legal and illegal and there is usually some form of profiling involved.
Quit changing your story.
Which is it now? The cops don't pull you over because you carry, or because you got rid of your fartcan shitbox car.Not my logic, your fucking logic from your fucking post where you fucking said that cops think twice about pulling you over.
Reading comprehension, you should try it sometime.
According to you the cops are started shaking in their boots as soon as you got a permit, so again please explain why???
Do you need protection from the drug dealers or the cops, or both?
What happens if you get pulled over for "stupid shit" now that you carry? Are you going to bring the fury or what?
HAHAHAHA... dude chill.... im just bored at work starting drama.... the reason for me getting a permit to carry is so that i can legally have a gun uncased in my truck.... but i was just saying that ever since i obtained it, i havent been pullref ovr for stupid shit... a.k.a the "gray area".... i have just been arguing with you to entertain myself.... im not a "gang banger" or a "thug".... im just a country boy who wants to have a gun in his truck just in case i need it for anything (like shooting badgers,skunks... i fucking hate badgers),but as i said before with all the drugs around it just makes you feel beter... but that is why nothing i typed makes sence... cause idont re-read what i typed earlier.... so please forget anything i typed after the one post about me having a permit.... cause its all for entertainment.... this got old quick.... looks like im gunna have to bring the FURRY!!!!! -
Parker wrote:
HAHAHAHA... dude chill.... im just bored at work starting drama.... the reason for me getting a permit to carry is so that i can legally have a gun uncased in my truck.... but i was just saying that ever since i obtained it, i havent been pullref ovr for stupid shit... a.k.a the "gray area".... i have just been arguing with you to entertain myself.... im not a "gang banger" or a "thug".... im just a country boy who wants to have a gun in his truck just in case i need it for anything (like shooting badgers,skunks... i fucking hate badgers),but as i said before with all the drugs around it just makes you feel beter... but that is why nothing i typed makes sence... cause idont re-read what i typed earlier.... so please forget anything i typed after the one post about me having a permit.... cause its all for entertainment.... this got old quick.... looks like im gunna have to bring the FURRY!!!!!Coyotes are fun to kill:p There quick and hard to hit but fun when on a snowmobile, 4wheeler, dirtbike etc....
3 things i couldn't live without.........
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I feel the need to carry because there has been 3 people kidnapped and raped(one of which in broad daylight), in Minot in the past week. Several houses have been burglarized, as have several cars in the past months. Several vehicles have been stolen in the past few months.
I carry because IMO a handgun is like a condom. I would rather have it, and not need it, than not have it, and wish I did.
If a woman can get kidnapped in broad daylight, there is no fucking way in hell I'm going to risk it. This town is getting worse. People ask me why I carry, I tell them, and they tell me I put myself into those situations.
Tell me this, did that poor woman who was walking to her car after work put herself in the situation where she was being carjacked, kidnapped, and raped? She was walking to her fucking car, something every single one of us does every single fucking day.
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youngin2nr wrote:
Coyotes are fun to kill:p There quick and hard to hit but fun when on a snowmobile, 4wheeler, dirtbike etc....I hope you are kidding cuz that is just plain retarded. Maybe we should try it with you.
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yeah humans that wear uniforms that are riding up there ass which may contribute to what they do and be part of the problem all of us have!
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