Kerry lies again!
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PSI2HI wrote:
Bush it outsourcing all of our American jobs and has destroy'd the American economy, what do you got to say about that? Outsourcing 260 million jobs to India!!
Cheap labor is hard to find. why not find a person in India that'll work for like 1 dollar an hour opposed to a person in america that'll work for 7 an hour making tennis shoes. -
RX8ownage wrote:
Cheap labor is hard to find. why not find a person in India that'll work for like 1 dollar an hour opposed to a person in america that'll work for 7 an hour making tennis shoes.Quite frankly I agree. I come from a business perspective, if that means untrained and uneducated people are going to be out of jobs. Boo hoo. Go back to school.
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2k3WRXND wrote:
Quite frankly I agree. I come from a business perspective, if that means untrained and uneducated people are going to be out of jobs. Boo hoo. Go back to school.What if you were the 260 million who were laid off? How is our economy down? We lost 260 million American jobs, and we are in the largest national deficit in American history.
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PSI2HI wrote:
Bush it outsourcing all of our American jobs and has destroy'd the American economy, what do you got to say about that? Outsourcing 260 million jobs to India!!That belongs in another thread I think...this is about the Kerry/UN meeting thing. You could atleast make part of your post correspond to that!
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RX8ownage wrote:
Cheap labor is hard to find. why not find a person in India that'll work for like 1 dollar an hour opposed to a person in america that'll work for 7 an hour making tennis shoes.
Takes every job away from americans....
Bush also gives tax breaks to these companies for what reason?
Economy goes down from this...anyone with common sense would know that...
Bush states that he is against outsourcing yet he does this...
And who in the right mind would give tax breaks during war?.... -
Im coming from the business point of view. What would you rather pay, 7 or 1 dollar to have a person make you a shoe? Of course you'd take the cheap labor because it saves you money in the long run.
I never said it was right to do take jobs away from americans, but if it'll save you money and keep your annual income high, you'll be in smooth waters
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PSI2HI wrote:
What if you were the 260 million who were laid off? How is our economy down? We lost 260 million American jobs, and we are in the largest national deficit in American history.Guess I'm not worried personally, that's why education is important. I get laid off I get another job. I market myself personally, and if you have no assetts you can't market yourself period. It's not difficult to find a job with education and skills in America.
Back to the outsourcing: let's face it, its a cruel business world. Business practice a lot more unethical views then this. It's a dog eat dog world, and if I can save a buck or 2 by laying people off and outsourcing it. You bet your ass I will.
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PSiedTSi wrote:
kirk but think about it theres a limit to trimming your budget...it stops when you basically take away your business by causing your consumers to lose their jobs...
The economys been in the shitter since 9/11, which is why you Michael Moore fanatics are blaming bush. What should he have done, of course he was going to retaliate which is billions, people got scared to fly, so lay offs were made from every airline possible. Shit if gore was president, our unemployment rate wouldn't be near what it is now, 6%. If companies gotta survive, they've got to take a hit by cutting jobs. Sure they feel guilty doing it, but if it's better for the company..you just half to let some people go. -
Right, just like im against illegal immigration taking american jobs here... but if its better for the business, i would do the same if i could. its a tough situation.
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fallguy wrote:
I agree that this is getting off topic.Outsourcing has been going on for years...it is a global market...anyone who has taken any economic classes at all would have known this. Maybe find out how many jobs Heinz outsources. Talk about hyprocisy.
exactly.
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lol @ the heinz's..Theresa fucked Kerry when she said Laura bush has never had a real job when I believe she was a school teacher, but that coulda been Lynn Cheney I dont know. She's (Theresa) has been living off of daddy forever, which is Im sure paying for Kerry's campaign or a majority of it.
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2k3WRXND wrote:
Guess I'm not worried personally, that's why education is important. I get laid off I get another job. I market myself personally, and if you have no assetts you can't market yourself period. It's not difficult to find a job with education and skills in America.
Fargo/Moorhead actually has a good job market, however from a national level only 3 out of 10 people that graduated from college last year were able to get a job related to their major.Hmm...you're going to tell me that of the 260million people who lost their jobs in this country NOT ONE OF THEM HAD A COLLEGE DEGREE??? I HIGHLY doubt that.
In Ohio they have lost on average 165 jobs/day that Bush has been in office. And the few jobs that have come along in that time are paying 23% less than the jobs that have left. Yeah, Bush is great for big business, but is crap for the little guy. Trickle down economics does not work. Neither did the tax cuts. I'm all for rolling back all of the tax cuts (poor, middleclass, rich, etc..) if instead we offer the money as incentives for companies to hire more American workers and/or low interest loans to start a business or expand a current one.
And about the Kerry lie. He said that he met with all the members of the UN Security council. Maybe that portion is a lie, but it seems that he did meet with at least a few members of the council...define at least a few please. Was it the other ten members? Was it 3? I don't know. Either way, if this is the worst thing that happens if/when he is president he will be by far the most honest president in modern history. I can't speak for him, but perhaps he meant that he consulted w/ a majority of the countries and it came out wrong, kind like when Bush said "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
Things get said in the heat and time frame of a debate that don't always get spoken the way they should, or don't clarified as well as they could be. I don't fault either candidate for this. It's just how it is.
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fallguy wrote:
I agree that this is getting off topic.Outsourcing has been going on for years...it is a global market...anyone who has taken any economic classes at all would have known this. Maybe find out how many jobs Heinz outsources. Talk about hyprocisy.To assert that Teresa Heinz Kerry owns the Heinz Co. is factually incorrect. She is the chair of the Heinz Endowments, which is a Heinz family affiliate, not a Heinz Co. affiliate. There have been no Heinz family members involved in the management of the Heinz since the late 1980s.
Additionally, the Heinz Co. is not an outsourced company, not in the manner that has become a controversial issue in this election. While it is true that Heinz operates overseas plants, the company does not send jobs to other countries and export the products to America.
In fact, all ketchup sold and consumed in America is produced in American plants. Heinz's overseas plants sell products globally, as do many fruit and vegetable producers as a result of the need to localize some production in foreign market areas.
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tjamz wrote:
To assert that Teresa Heinz Kerry owns the Heinz Co. is factually incorrect. She is the chair of the Heinz Endowments, which is a Heinz family affiliate, not a Heinz Co. affiliate. There have been no Heinz family members involved in the management of the Heinz since the late 1980s.Additionally, the Heinz Co. is not an outsourced company, not in the manner that has become a controversial issue in this election. While it is true that Heinz operates overseas plants, the company does not send jobs to other countries and export the products to America.
In fact, all ketchup sold and consumed in America is produced in American plants. Heinz's overseas plants sell products globally, as do many fruit and vegetable producers as a result of the need to localize some production in foreign market areas.
So your saying its in Heinz best interest to keep the products which they ship overseas, overseas itself correct? I mean it would be possible to keep themselves within America and export the products if Kerry was a true believer in bringing jobs to America. If not, Heinz is just trying to keep costs low, which all businesses do, and are practicing the same laws as others perform currently. I want to know what jobs are being outsourced, if they are going to India I guarentee a lot of them are unskilled IT support for particular products.
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