Tires Plus rant
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Fargo wrote:
Do you guys even know what metal valve stems are?????? The only way they do go bad is if the core fails, then you replace, rust out, or get sheared off/hit.....Did they hold air when you brought them in, I am assuming they did, tell them to replace it.....
I do know what they are and I do know how they go bad. If you think the only way they go bad is the core failing, then youd better go ask any "otr" truck driver who has had one fail on them on the freeway. Like I said, I wasn't there to witness it. It was stated that these wheel were from the 80's right? There is NO WAY that I'll ever use a valve stem from that long ago. All valve stems go bad even metal ones and even the almighty rays/volk ones are not failure proof. Remember they are either made from aluminum or brass and can split. I have seen it before. Oh by the way, I do work at a tire store as well. Just not there.
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weshole wrote:
I do know what they are and I do know how they go bad. If you think the only way they go bad is the core failing, then youd better go ask any "otr" truck driver who has had one fail on them on the freeway. Like I said, I wasn't there to witness it. It was stated that these wheel were from the 80's right? There is NO WAY that I'll ever use a valve stem from that long ago. All valve stems go bad even metal ones and even the almighty rays/volk ones are not failure proof. Remember they are either made from aluminum or brass and can split. I have seen it before. Oh by the way, I do work at a tire store as well. Just not there.How do they fail then????? Educate me...
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O.K. Mr. Smarty go to a party. The most often cause of a "metal" stem failure is over tightening upon installation. Now you may ask "how could that happen". Well sonny sit right here and let me tell you a story. Nah jk. He did mention that they were a fresh restoration right? well, that would involve refinishing the wheels more than likey and you would definately need to remove the stem. They are not designed for repetitive removal and installation and tightening them over and over can compromise their strength hence making them "split" in THIS situation. And once again I will state that I wasn't there and I didn't witness this so what I am stating is speculation but I have seen them come through the door broken, split, cracked, and stripped. Not all of them were leaking from the core.
And I'm done. My fingers hurt.
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Yes, they have metal, but they aren't entirely made of metal. they use metal parts to "pinch" the rubber sealing surface between the stem (metal) and wheel (metal). Kinda like washers pinching bushings for any suspension component.
Now, you ask how they go bad? Have you ever looked at a old 5-15 year old tire? rubber deteriorates over time due to age, use, and worst of all temperatures (hot to cold, hot to cold, cold to hot, etc etc).
As for them being restored, they should have been replaced. They should be replaced everytime a tire is removed. Now, ask yourself this personal question, would you reuse a condom? NO, at least I hope not. Would you use one that is 5-15 years old? NO, again, at least I hope not. Thank you very much, just like wes said, my fingers are tired and I hope you use a new rubber next time you work on your tires.
Ry
P.S. we weren't there ourselves, but from our experiences, rubber gets old and is cheap insurance to replace.
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im confused how fingers get hurt while typing 5 sentences
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weshole wrote:
Kirk, The alphabet confuses you.
who capitilizes the after a comma? -
weshole wrote:
Look out! I didn't find anything to say that pleases you. Your lack of finding anything relevant to this thread is a testament as to why your not well liked on here. You seem to post just to start shit.Your my hero!:icon_thumleft:
that was a good one!
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The valve stems were fine when I brought them in, 100%....when I come back to the shop they are sheared in half.....they weren't like that when I brought them in. Process of elimination leads me to believe that whatever happened, happened why they were mounting the tires....the stems didn't fall in half as soon as I dropped them off. The type of stems used on these wheels have a the rubber grommets on both sides of the lip of the wheel, then on the back side they are double nutted. The valve stems were sheared off on the portion of the stem that sat in the backside of the lip. I dunno how it happened, all I know is that it DID happen....and I didn't do it. IMHO a shop should take responsibility for screwing things up....regardless of how big/small it is.
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seanjohn wrote:
The valve stems were fine when I brought them in, 100%....when I come back to the shop they are sheared in half.....they weren't like that when I brought them in. Process of elimination leads me to believe that whatever happened, happened why they were mounting the tires....the stems didn't fall in half as soon as I dropped them off. The type of stems used on these wheels have a the rubber grommets on both sides of the lip of the wheel, then on the back side they are double nutted. The valve stems were sheared off on the portion of the stem that sat in the backside of the lip. I dunno how it happened, all I know is that it DID happen....and I didn't do it. IMHO a shop should take responsibility for screwing things up....regardless of how big/small it is.Depends on the screw up. And in the automotive business, the customer isn't always right. But like we said, you should have brought new ones in. Maybe they did break when he mounted them. Maybe the broke because they were overtightened and when they put the tire on it tore it off. I DONT KNOW. What I do know is that both partys are in a grey/fine area of customer relations, and the only neg part you have right now is not bringing new ones not mounted in. PERIOD.
As for the fingers, well, they get tired from other things
Ry
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