Is the USA the greatest country in the world?
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Dont really know alot about most other countries but i do know that im not moving out of this one and for you people saying that our rights are being violated this is true but ill give you a Charlton Heston you can come pry my guns out of my cold dead hands.
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fallguy;198228 wrote:
This post is why Daveh is disturbed...as well as me. Like Dave said...."more people trying to come to America than people leaving".So if people have a view that includes reality then we should get the fuck out? Is that what you are saying?
Rose colored glasses, jingoism ftl.
It's people like you guys who scare me.
I won't edit my post but I will add that I think the USA is the greatest 'country'. I will not say the USA has the greatest government.
OBEY
edit: i am probably going to get tazed for this
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JohnW;198249 wrote:
So if people have a view that includes reality then we should get the fuck out? Is that what you are saying?Rose colored glasses, jingoism ftl.
It's people like you guys who scare me.
I won't edit my post but I will add that I think the USA is the greatest 'country'. I will not say the USA has the greatest government.
OBEY
edit: i am probably going to get tazed for this
I have to agree.
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JohnW;198249 wrote:
So if people have a view that includes reality then we should get the fuck out? Is that what you are saying?What he said isn't that hard to comprehend. Basically if this country is so bad, why is everyone trying to come here?
DaveH
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DaveH;198258 wrote:
What he said isn't that hard to comprehend. Basically if this country is so bad, why is everyone trying to come here?Mexico? Cuba? Africa? China?
If I lived in a third world or extremely oppressed country, I'd want to move somewhere else too. I wonder how many people from those countries are also moving to other wealthy, more free countries.
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amicheze;198261 wrote:
Mexico? Cuba? Africa? China? If I lived in a third world or extremely oppressed country, I'd want to move somewhere else too. I wonder how many people from those countries are also moving to other wealthy, more free countries.So you don't think JohnW was a little off base with what he said to fallguy?
DaveH
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DaveH;198264 wrote:
So you don't think JohnW was a little off base with what he said to fallguy?Not really. I personally think that some people are able to see things how they really are, while others refuse to, whether it be out of fear of being called un-patriotic or blind patriotism.
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amicheze;198272 wrote:
Not really. I personally think that some people are able to see things how they really are, while others refuse to, whether it be out of fear of being called un-patriotic or blind patriotism.I honestly can't think of a better country where we can practice our religion without oppression, have the opportunity to be anything you want to be, make as much money as you want, have the best military in the world protecting you while at the same time flipping your finger at all of it! I personally can't think of any country that has as much opportunity as this one. Like I have said as well as Dave. If it sucked so much and if there was a country so much better, then why isn't everyone going there? The only reason we have issues is because all the people that don't belong here legally are sucking up all of our resources!!
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amicheze;198272 wrote:
Not really. I personally think that some people are able to see things how they really are, while others refuse to, whether it be out of fear of being called un-patriotic or blind patriotism.Ok, so let me recap just to make sure I'm clear.
Fallguy posts that he agreed with what I said, which was "more people want into the USA than want out"
John somehow misinterprets this and thinks that Fallguy is saying that people who think like John should gtfo of the country (at least thats what I'm guessing he thought??), and then John goes on with some insults based on his misunderstanding.
But that is cool?
DaveH
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I didn't think I said anything to insult anybody, I think i did misinterpret what he said, I guess if sometakes me saying that people with an opposing viewpoint scare me is a personal insult somebody needs to grow a thicker skin. i think alot of people come here because it is very easy to get in and get benefits. It is my understanding that some other countrys have more stringent requirements to stay in the country and generally dont offer the same benefits to the alien as they do to the citizens. I was born here and I don't get some of the same benefits. Im not arguing that I should be able to get assistance with my income, just that I don't think people that are not citizens of our country should get the same benefits as citizens. I think it is the responsibility of whatever country they come from to provide them with assistance if they have income problems. I realize that its wishful thinking and that isn't the case, but still. Sorry if I offended anyone, I didn't mean any comment directly at any one person.
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Fair enough. I felt like you were attacking Fallguy for something he didn't say.
JohnW;198294 wrote:
I didn't think I said anything to insult anybody, I think i did misinterpret what he said, I guess if sometakes me saying that people with an opposing viewpoint scare me is a personal insult somebody needs to grow a thicker skin. i think alot of people come here because it is very easy to get in and get benefits. It is my understanding that some other countrys have more stringent requirements to stay in the country and generally dont offer the same benefits to the alien as they do to the citizens. I was born here and I don't get some of the same benefits. Im not arguing that I should be able to get assistance with my income, just that I don't think people that are not citizens of our country should get the same benefits as citizens. I think it is the responsibility of whatever country they come from to provide them with assistance if they have income problems. I realize that its wishful thinking and that isn't the case, but still. Sorry if I offended anyone, I didn't mean any comment directly at any one person.DaveH
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bubba;198296 wrote:
So...to those of you that think our country is so horrible what other coutries have more freedoms then we do...cuz i'm pretty sure there arent really any...Almost every other country in the European Union.
Actually, as far as economic freedom goes, the US is the fourth most free country in the world. I remember reading an article a couple years back in... Forbes maybe? Or was it the Wall-Street Journal? I don't remember. Anyway, it listed the US behind Hong Kong, Singapore, and Australia. A Google search came up with the top four in that same order on a number of other sites. As far as freedom in general, I read in middle school somewhere that the US was number 13 in the world, but who knows how accurate that was.
Granted, some of the freedoms the EU countries enjoy (gambling, drug use, prostitution, free education and health care) would probably be taken into excess here and become more of a problem than a freedom.
I don't think there is a GREATEST country in the world - judged by a certain universal set of criteria. To me, the "greatest" label is relative to the person. Every country in the world has its pros and cons, and its up to the person to decide what they want and what they're willing to deal with.
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amicheze;198321 wrote:
Almost every other country in the European Union.I don't think so.
My wife and I visisted Germany for a few weeks and really liked it. I'm in the sort of industry where I could get a decent job in Germany pretty easily, and we both speak enough German that we got around just fine.
But, one reason why we cannot live in Germany long term is that homeschooling is illegal in Germany.
Why would homeschooling be illegal? Because the government & society feel that collective indoctrination of children is more important than the the relationship between parents and children.
So now that we've got a baby, if we moved to Germany today we'd need to move back to the US within 5 years.
Actually, as far as economic freedom goes, the US is the fourth most free country in the world. I remember reading an article a couple years back in... Forbes maybe? Or was it the Wall-Street Journal? I don't remember. Anyway, it listed the US behind Hong Kong, Singapore, and Australia. A Google search came up with the top four in that same order on a number of other sites.
This, I could beleive. I was reading aobut HK just hte other day, as it's a place I guessed would have more economic freedoms than the US currently does. Naturally it's economy is kicking just about everyone's ass. Also highest # of Rolls-Royce automobiles per capita of anywhere.
As far as freedom in general, I read in middle school somewhere that the US was number 13 in the world, but who knows how accurate that was.
Granted, some of the freedoms the EU countries enjoy (gambling, drug use, prostitution, free education and health care) would probably be taken into excess here and become more of a problem than a freedom.
I think people get confused about what freedom really is.
Freedom is a society's propensity to tolerate what society finds objectionable. None of the things you listed are freedoms (free education and healthcare?). If 80% of EU citizens are fine with gambling, drug use, and prostitution, then it's not really a freedom at all, it's just democracy.
THe right to Free Speech is a freedom because it guarantees that unpopular speech is protected. There's never been a need to protect activities that a majority of people want. There's always been a need to protect activities that only a minority want.
My homeshcooling example is a perfect illustration of this.
So is firearms ownership -- which is illegal almost everywhere in Europe.
I don't think there is a GREATEST country in the world - judged by a certain universal set of criteria. To me, the "greatest" label is relative to the person. Every country in the world has its pros and cons, and its up to the person to decide what they want and what they're willing to deal with.
Agreed.
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fallguy;198281 wrote:
The only reason we have issues is because all the people that don't belong here legally are sucking up all of our resources!!thats the problem with supposedly being the biggest baddest uber good country in the world.... you get to take on the responsibility of caring for everyone else since they are so weak and pathetic and defenseless and utterly useless.
UNTIL THEY ARE IN YOUR FRIDGE!!! THROW THE F@*KHEADS OUT!!!
thats the mentality we as americans are required to carry, correct?
lets take care of everyone as long as they stay the hell out of here? hypocracy is a curious milkshake isnt it.its hard to believe a few illegal aliens can hinder the world power that is the united states of america.
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24valvenotak;198525 wrote:
its hard to believe a few illegal aliens can hinder the world power that is the united states of america."a few" have helped to almost bring the caucasion race to the minority in America...which isn't necessarily a bad thing, however, it shows how many people a few are. That "few" can put a huge strain on what government resources are in place such as welfare, which can take it away from people that were born and raised here and need the financial help, but maybe dont have it quite as bad as the 60 year old guy that jumped the border and has absolutely nothing so he turns to the government for his free ride.
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I would like to move to Canada, but i dont have the money or stability in my life to do so right now, also i would rather live in several different European countries as well Switzerland is one that comes to mind. Anyways I think the main reason i dont think we are the greatest country is because of what has happened since Bush got into office.....The guys a complete tool and FUCKED our economy for years to come, unless we get some common since i can see another depression happening within the next century......which i personally do not want to be part of. anyways im tired so im done rambling on now : )
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