So anyone voting for the yes no yes?

[Guest]

MisterCMK;221884 wrote:
They can leave the bar. Nobody is forcing them to be there. They made a CHOICE to be in the bar and they can choose to leave if they don't want to deal with smoke. The fact of the matter is that taking the rights of one person in order to "protect" the rights of another is bullshit.

I would concede smoking as a "right" if smokers couldn't purchase health insurance or couldn't undergo medical procedures related to their smoking if they, you know, did indeed develop lung cancer or something similar. I hate it when people abuse their bodies, then expect everyone else to pick up the tab.

[Guest]

MisterCMK;221888 wrote:
I lawl because I don't actually smoke...

Just as I suspected, you're being a douche for the sake of being a douche. It's your natural calling.

[MisterCMK]

reshalghoul;221891 wrote:
Just as I suspected, you're being a douche for the sake of being a douche. It's your natural calling.

And you take the bait every fucking time.

[torbs]

MisterCMK;221884 wrote:
They can leave the bar. Nobody is forcing them to be there. They made a CHOICE to be in the bar and they can choose to leave if they don't want to deal with smoke. The fact of the matter is that taking the rights of one person in order to "protect" the rights of another is bullshit.

QFT^^

[Guest]

iluvracing;221877 wrote:
YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! someone who agrees. thank you

Funny, I read that as saying the "rights" of smokers shouldn't infringe on the "rights" of non-smokers who have the "right" to breath clean air....

[Guest]

MisterCMK;221892 wrote:
And you take the bait every fucking time.

Lol, yeah I "[took] the bait" for sure. It sure is pretty difficult to argue with the mentally challenged CMK. For someone with an IQ below 60, you do put up quite the fight. Back to the institution for you!

[Guest]

Actually, CMK is fairly intelligent and well versed in the subject he debates. He does, however, have the ability to make others look like idiots, seemingly at will.

[DaveH]

MisterCMK;221884 wrote:
The fact of the matter is that taking the rights of one person in order to "protect" the rights of another is bullshit.

As I said before, this is what all laws do.

Has anyone heard the outcome of the vote?

[Guest]

approx 60 to 40 in favor of a smoking ban in both fargo and west fargo.

Fargo Initiated Smoking Ban Ord. CITY OF FARGO
Vote for no more than 1
Yes - Means you approve. . . . . . 11,371 61.30%
No - Means you reject th . . . . . 7,180 38.70%
Total . . . . . . . . . 18,551
Over Votes . . . . . . . . . 33
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . 198

      West Fargo Smoking Ordinance 803 CITY OF WEST FARGO
      Vote for no more than  1
       Yes - Means you approve.  .  .  .  .  .     2,069   57.60%
       No - Means you reject th  .  .  .  .  .     1,523   42.40%
               Total .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .     3,592
          Over Votes .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .         2
         Under Votes .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .        54

[HandoEX]

Sweet, no more smelly clothes, dry eyes, and coughing after a night out. I don't really care if anyone is pissed either:woot:

[FG2]

HandoEX;221916 wrote:
Sweet, no more smelly clothes, dry eyes, and coughing after a night out. I don't really care if anyone is pissed either:woot:
I agree with ONE exception. I feel for JT Cigaro's... Those that don't smoke, typically don't frequent the place, but I know a lot of people that really enjoyed that place. I don't see how on earth they can survive now. At least Moorhead bars are playing on an even field, which should STIMULATE that economy.

July 1st it takes effect.

[SmitEvo]

FG2;221917 wrote:
I agree with ONE exception. I feel for JT Cigaro's... Those that don't smoke, typically don't frequent the place, but I know a lot of people that really enjoyed that place. I don't see how on earth they can survive now. At least Moorhead bars are playing on an even field, which should STIMULATE that economy.

July 1st it takes effect.

I thought JT Cigarro's was the only place exempt from the law...

HandoEX;221916 wrote:
Sweet, no more smelly clothes, dry eyes, and coughing after a night out. I don't really care if anyone is pissed either

Now you will cherish those two nights a year you go out....

[FG2]

SmitEvo;221918 wrote:
I thought JT Cigarro's was the only place exempt from the law...

Now you will cherish those two nights a year you go out....

Via In-Forum.com:

"Measure 3 would have made exceptions for enclosed bars that prohibit patrons under the age of 21, designated areas of truck stops and J.T. Cigarro Tobacco Bar.

About 43 percent of voters supported the measure. It had 6,698 votes in complete but unofficial results."

JT lost 57% to 43%

[Guest]

I feel for JT Cigarro as well. If there was an appeal to allow them to continue as a "Tobacco Bar" I'd be in support of them being able to remain a smoke-allowed environment.

[DaveH]

Now I can walk into JT Cigarro to buy my cigars and not have to walk through cigarette smoke! lol

[Guest]

tjamz;221905 wrote:
Actually, CMK is fairly intelligent and well versed in the subject he debates. He does, however, have the ability to make others look like idiots, seemingly at will.

You're too hard on yourself. You haven't seemed too idiotic...yet.

[Guest]

DaveH;221921 wrote:
Now I can walk into JT Cigarro to buy my cigars and not have to walk through cigarette smoke! lol

Ha ha.

[Guest]

HandoEX;221916 wrote:
Sweet, no more smelly clothes, dry eyes, and coughing after a night out. I don't really care if anyone is pissed either:woot:

+∞.

[Parker]

reshalghoul;221891 wrote:
Just as I suspected, you're being a douche for the sake of being a douche. It's your natural calling.
so.... are you the pot or the kettle?

[amicheze]

HandoEX;221916 wrote:
Sweet, no more smelly clothes, dry eyes, and coughing after a night out. I don't really care if anyone is pissed either:woot:

+∞ as well.

Fuck you guys. I'm going out July 1st to celebrate.

Also glad the tax increase didn't pass.