"Race the Needles"

[PSI2HI]

Why only 50 entires allowed?

[Muff Daddy]

PSI2HI;255021 wrote:
Why only 50 entires allowed?

Honestly? We want to make sure everything goes smoothly the first year. After the event we are going to sit down and discuss what changes need to be made. If this years event is succesfull the following year could turn into a 2 day event with multiple stages/courses. We just want to make sure everybody goes home happy and spreads the word. We believe the course will take 8 minutes or so to complete. Due to safety concerns we will only be letting 2 cars on the course at one time. The first of the 2 cars will have to pass a specific checkpoint before the second car is given the go ahead.

[Joel]

Muff Daddy;255020 wrote:
Do you have any idea what insurance costs on something like this? Not to mention all the little things such as renting fire extingishers. NOBODY is making a profit on this! Any money left over will go towards making the following years event better. In fact this event is all volunteer! The boards members or anyone associated with this event will not be getting paid.

Insurance does not cost 20,000. I'm pretty sure that you are renting the road from the state for a few thousand. Insurance probably cost 10k, if that. Everyone races at their own risk and signs their life away. Case in point, You can go out to BIR and race with professional driving help on a prepped course for around 200 dollars. This sounds like a blast but is very overpriced in my opinion. With that being said, I hope the event goes well. Its nice to see someone around here taking a step in getting some more racing in the Midwest.

[Muff Daddy]

Joel;255023 wrote:
Insurance does not cost 20,000. I'm pretty sure that you are renting the road from the state for a few thousand. Insurance probably cost 10k, if that. Everyone races at their own risk and signs their life away. Case in point, You can go out to BIR and race with professional driving help on a prepped course for around 200 dollars. This sounds like a blast but is very overpriced in my opinion. With that being said, I hope the event goes well. Its nice to see someone around here taking a step in getting some more racing in the Midwest.

Just looked at BIR's website and on may 4th its $265 dollars(plus tax). Yep thats cheaper and if thats what you would rather do more power to you. The price may be adjusted in subsequent events but the current fee is not out of line with other similiar events. You also have to consider the fact that we may not get 50 qualifying entries. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

[PSI2HI]

Muff Daddy;255026 wrote:
Just looked at BIR's website and on may 4th its $265 dollars(plus tax). Yep thats cheaper and if thats what you would rather do more power to you. The price may be adjusted in subsequent events but the current fee is not out of line with other similiar events. You also have to consider the fact that we may not get 50 qualifying entries. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Everyone around here will always bitch about cost @ which its just a mute point in which i'd just ignore. People these days have a problem w/ someone making a dollar.

[Joel]

PSI2HI;255028 wrote:
Everyone around here will always bitch about cost @ which its just a mute point in which i'd just ignore. People these days have a problem w/ someone making a dollar.
Nope, nothing wrong with making a dollar, If thats how you present yourself. But If you are doing it solely to better the racing community, it might be a good idea to make it affordable for enthusiasts. Thats All I'm saying. You could expect 50 entries for sure if you lowered the price even to 300 dollars. For instance, Tintmasters doesn't make any money off the drags. In fact, I bet they probably lose money. I believe Shane does it to help the dying "scene", but I guess I can't really speak for him.

[YellowEvo]

I love how people come on here and bitch bout this when someone is trying to put this on, probably the fact that no one knows him... if it was someone in town i'm guessing there woulnd't be as much bitching

[Muff Daddy]

Joel;255029 wrote:
Nope, nothing wrong with making a dollar, If thats how you present yourself. But If you are doing it solely to better the racing community, it might be a good idea to make it affordable for enthusiasts. Thats All I'm saying. You could expect 50 entries for sure if you lowered the price even to 300 dollars. For instance, Tintmasters doesn't make any money off the drags. In fact, I bet they probably lose money. I believe Shane does it to help the dying "scene", but I guess I can't really speak for him.

http://www.sorcrace.com/events.html
Their fee for the unlimited is $600. I can show you other events that are more expensive then us if you like. The thing is the board is just a bunch of regular joes that can't afford to chip in the extra if this event loses money.

[Joel]

YellowEvo;255030 wrote:
I love how people come on here and bitch bout this when someone is trying to put this on, probably the fact that no one knows him... if it was someone in town i'm guessing there woulnd't be as much bitching

Or because he has 12 posts and has never bothered to post outside this thread.

Muff Daddy;255031 wrote:
http://www.sorcrace.com/events.html
Their fee for the unlimited is $600. I can show you other events that are more expensive then us if you like. The thing is the board is just a bunch of regular joes that can't afford to chip in the extra if this event loses money.
They look a little more organized...

[PSI2HI]

These days nobody in their right mind is gonna invest in something to lose $$ let alone break even. Time is money and thats what people dont understand and thats why things around the FM area die out.

Who here would go to their job if they knew they were gonna lose $$ doing it or break even @ the end of the day, same concept applies here....

[DelSlow]

YellowEvo;255030 wrote:
I love how people come on here and bitch bout this when someone is trying to put this on, probably the fact that no one knows him... if it was someone in town i'm guessing there woulnd't be as much bitching

Guarantee that.

[Joel]

PSI2HI;255034 wrote:
These days nobody in their right mind is gonna invest in something to lose $$ let alone break even. Time is money and thats what people dont understand and thats why things around the FM area die out.

Who here would go to their job if they knew they were gonna lose $$ doing it or break even @ the end of the day, same concept applies here....

Going to your job is COMPLETELY different than try to organize something so you can have fun. I'de be willing to bet this guy isn't an event promoter by trade. Either way he has not paid for any advertising on this website.

[PSiedTSi]

Bingo, Nick,

This area is so hellbent on being "good northern folk" (some would call it cheap), and forget we live in a capitalistic world. If YOU think it should be cheaper, YOU can do something about that and create your OWN event at whatever price you feel is "fair".

Joel, who are you to control what is advertised on this site? He didn't come here looking to turn a profit, he simply posted up an event for the scene(after all, this is FargoStreet, is it not?). I obviously can't speak for Jim, but I would assume he sees this different than "advertising".

And just because event promoter isn't his "job", doesn't mean he can't make money on it? If this is true, then me making money by fixing someones computer on the side isn't "fair", because its not my job?

[DelSlow]

PSiedTSi;255040 wrote:
He didn't come here looking to turn a profit

hmmmmmm

[PSI2HI]

Joel;255039 wrote:
Going to your job is COMPLETELY different than try to organize something so you can have fun. I'de be willing to bet this guy isn't an event promoter by trade. Either way he has not paid for any advertising on this website.

Its no different @ all, you go to work to cover your overhead of living. In this case there is work and overhead needed to organize the event. I guarntee if they lose $$ on the event the first year they won't continue to organize it.

If you want to spend your time organizing events and losing $$ then by all means go ahead and do so but once its coming out of your pocket i bet they'd come to an end real quick. This is the exact reason why race teams, sanctioning bodies, and events all over the country and are cancelled because they are not making $$. It's a hobby as well as a business and @ that right minded business people dont keep losing $$ trying to support dying efforts.

[Joel]

PSiedTSi;255040 wrote:
Bingo, Nick,

This area is so hellbent on being "good northern folk" (some would call it cheap), and forget we live in a capitalistic world. If YOU think it should be cheaper, YOU can do something about that and create your OWN event at whatever price you feel is "fair".

Joel, who are you to control what is advertised on this site? He didn't come here looking to turn a profit, he simply posted up an event for the scene(after all, this is FargoStreet, is it not?). I obviously can't speak for Jim, but I would assume he sees this different than "advertising".

I never said he didn't deserve the right to post it here. But you guys all act like I'm doing something wrong by bringing up the fact that this guy is making a buck off people. I never said it was good or bad. He denied it and I call BS; That's all.

[PSiedTSi]

DelSlow;255042 wrote:
hmmmmmm

Should have phrased that better?

Even if he knows a profit can/will be made, I'm sure he's more interested in making the event happen. Obviously, I can't speak for him, though.

And maybe he isn't a person that stands to gain from this, and could be loosely involved on the outside. He says everyone is a volunteer(IDK about you, but that means free?). Just give him a break, if you want to go, then sign up. If you don't want to go, or don't like it, just keep it to yourself(echoing myself even) and create your own cheaper event.

[PSI2HI]

Joel;255039 wrote:
Going to your job is COMPLETELY different than try to organize something so you can have fun. I'de be willing to bet this guy isn't an event promoter by trade. Either way he has not paid for any advertising on this website.

Who cares if the organization is making $$$ on it, that would kind of be the point in the effort that the event would grow and increase its efforts for future holdings.

[Muff Daddy]

PSiedTSi;255048 wrote:
Should have phrased that better?

Even if he knows a profit can/will be made, I'm sure he's more interested in making the event happen. Obviously, I can't speak for him, though.

And maybe he isn't a person that stands to gain from this, and could be loosely involved on the outside. He says everyone is a volunteer(IDK about you, but that means free?). Just give him a break, if you want to go, then sign up. If you don't want to go, or don't like it, just keep it to yourself(echoing myself even) and create your own cheaper event.

The only way I stand to gain from this is making sure that there is an event like this around. I NOR ANYONE ON THE BOARD WILL NOT BE PAID FOR OUR EFFORTS! I already pay out of my pocket to support the "car scene" in south dakota. Any extra money left over after all the events bills are paid will be going to equipment for the following year such as radios, barriers, brooms, advertising, chairs. I am taking off of work to make this happen. I am bringing up equipment to use to make this happen. Oh and their are 4 other people on the board devoting just as much as I am if not more just to make this happen. This year will be a bare bones event. I would love to have t-shirts, stickers, schwag to pass out. The event could use some barriers to increase safety in some areas and the bottom line is there is no money for it right now. Any money made from this event will go back into this event the following year to make it bigger/better/more enjoyable.

As to the comment about me making no other posts on the board- I have never been to fargo and it's a long drive for me. I came here to hopefully spread the word about the event to those interested. Honestly I have heard about alot of serious cars up there and wouldn't mind taking a trip to checkout the scene. The negative nancies certainly don't make me want to make the trip but you will find those anywhere. I will give you a hint, I run a website myself for sd on my dime. If anyone on this board wants to come on my board and spread the word about an event going on up there they are MORE then WELCOME. In fact I will be more then happy to put the information on the front page of my site as well. It's all about meeting new people, seeing different cars and maybe learning a thing or two in the process.

• Josh
  605racing.com admin

[Grr]

Josh i wouldnt even read alot of the posts in this thread. The people worried about you making money or the event costing too much are the same people who bitch at a free lunch because you forgot to give them ketchup. Yep, bitch cry and moan because someone made a buck off you. In other words, bubba and joel, and faber you did a bit too, fuck you. Go take your cars to brainerd then. Oh wait, i go there all the time and have never seen you there? In that case shut the fuck up until you plan on contributing to the car scene instead of running it into the ground. Its that very attitude why things generally suck and get cancelled. TM street legals??? yep all for it until its time to pay up the $15 to race and then i see a bunch of rice cluttering the parking area because your too fucking cheap, even when some dude is racing his wifes buick century cause he wants to see the event continue.

In other words, if you dont plan on going because your a douche that never does come through for events, or your too fucking cheap to pay a little to play, get the fuck out of the events section. We all know its cheaper to go to BIR, and we all know we wont ever see you at either event anyway. Going balls out down a mountain road with no safety net has no comparison to going around a flat open course like BIR. GTFO

And yes that is how i really feel, i like to rant, go cry emo kid
Gary