Twin Turbo, AWD, 365hp and it's a Taurus
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i bet if everyone keeps giving personal car ownership anecdotes we'll solve the question of what car is best.
But until then, i think we can conclude that paying 40k for a taurus that's slower than a 10k 2000 S4 with 100hp less seems silly. You could buy a lot of turbos with the 30k you saved.
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Oh that is very true, I would love to own a BMW. I'm just saying, each brand has their pitfall. Ford's reliability isn't as bad as people seem to make it out to be. It always seems like everyone says they are piles and fall apart, yet nobody I know who owns an F150, Taurus, or Mustang seems to have excessive problems vs the people I know who own civics, tundras, or other non-ford vehicles. I think a lot of it has to do with people just playing down the issues with their brand and playing up the issues with other brands.
Like your S4 comment...I personally wouldn't touch an audi with a 10 foot stick based on all the bad comments I've heard about them, especially when they reach 100K+ miles. In fact I was very close to buying an S4 before Troy put his Lexus up for sale. Then there are people who have driven audi's their entire life, 200K+ on each one with no issues. To each their own!
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StangerBanger96;285068 wrote:
Oh that is very true, I would love to own a BMW. I'm just saying, each brand has their pitfall. Ford's reliability isn't as bad as people seem to make it out to be. It always seems like everyone says they are piles and fall apart, yet nobody I know who owns an F150, Taurus, or Mustang seems to have excessive problems vs the people I know who own civics, tundras, or other non-ford vehicles. I think a lot of it has to do with people just playing down the issues with their brand and playing up the issues with other brands.Like your S4 comment...I personally wouldn't touch an audi with a 10 foot stick based on all the bad comments I've heard about them, especially when they reach 100K+ miles. In fact I was very close to buying an S4 before Troy put his Lexus up for sale. Then there are people who have driven audi's their entire life, 200K+ on each one with no issues. To each their own!
I'm with you on this... I wouldn't touch an Audi either lol :icon_salut::icon_salut:
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thought this video would fit in well with this thread. needless to say im impressed, thats big mph
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YellowEvo;285058 wrote:
And after that 4 years/50k miles then what?? finish reading everything Eurofan... i own a BMW too and i'm damn well not lookin forward to replacing anything after that warranty goes off... tire last fall cost me 450$ but it's "cheap" right???Joe, why don't you look at buying none OEM tires???? I am willing to take a stab you would save alot of money.
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KA-T_240;285118 wrote:
Joe, why don't you look at buying none OEM tires???? I am willing to take a stab you would save alot of money.Yeah I'm gonna this time, tryin to get out everything out of these ones i got lol
2003 Mitsubishi Evolution 8
2011 Ford F150 Ecoboost
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Parker;285120 wrote:
hmmm, a 3.0 I6 tt and only 300hp and 300tq? weaksauce.......you've described the BMW 335i engine. did you mean to bring that up or did you get confused regarding the SHO engine? The latter is a V6 with 365hp.
I would regard the conservative tuning of the 335i motor as "to make it like a BMW". the peanut gallery will of course respone with "you mean slow, like all bmws, right?". No, i mean they like broad flat torque curves and linear horsepower gain, with very fast throttle response. That's been difficult to acheive with turbocharging, and BMW hasn't sold a gasoline turbocharged engine since the E23 745i back in the early 1980s -- until now.
fwiw, a basic reflash + exhaust gets you 400hp on a 335 engine. the Turbos and wastegates are integral to the exhaust manifolds, and its all crammed into a very small spot. Not sure of anyone doing big or single turbos on the 335, but i haven't looked.
The reason the taurus is so slow has got to be down to its weight, and perhaps driveline inefficiency. But i'm guessing weight. the 0-60 time of that thing is awful given how much power it has [and that it is allegedly AWD]. It's braking, skidpad, and slalom all suck, also indicative of high weight.
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thrash;285140 wrote:
you've described the BMW 335i engine. did you mean to bring that up or did you get confused regarding the SHO engine? The latter is a V6 with 365hp.I would regard the conservative tuning of the 335i motor as "to make it like a BMW". the peanut gallery will of course respone with "you mean slow, like all bmws, right?". No, i mean they like broad flat torque curves and linear horsepower gain, with very fast throttle response. That's been difficult to acheive with turbocharging, and BMW hasn't sold a gasoline turbocharged engine since the E23 745i back in the early 1980s -- until now.
fwiw, a basic reflash + exhaust gets you 400hp on a 335 engine. the Turbos and wastegates are integral to the exhaust manifolds, and its all crammed into a very small spot. Not sure of anyone doing big or single turbos on the 335, but i haven't looked.
The reason the taurus is so slow has got to be down to its weight, and perhaps driveline inefficiency. But i'm guessing weight. the 0-60 time of that thing is awful given how much power it has [and that it is allegedly AWD]. It's braking, skidpad, and slalom all suck, also indicative of high weight.
I meant to bring it up.I really could give a rats ass about either car... I went fishing and snagged the wrong person, so i throw you back, and continue on.
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too much but it is a sick car
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