Obama / Democrats
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amicheze;314911 wrote:
Everything you saidThe problem with most political things, and I'm willing to bet is the case with the things you mention, is that NOTHING is as cut and dry as you or I are made to believe. A bill that gives troops money also contains provisions that gives hookers free coke (exaggeration for effect), a bill to help cure cancer also has provisions to test whether or not dogs dream and if so, what the dreams are about.
Now, you do also realize that Democrats have done the same thing when Republicans have power too. They will rally against ANY bill, regardless of whether or not they agree with the general provisions of it, because it was put forth by a Republican. I seem to recall Democrats, the party that loves having a power grabbing Government, screaming bloody murder over the Patriot Act. By your logic, Democrats obviously do not care about the well being of the people of this country because the Government just needed an easier way to check on domestic based terrorism.
That right there is the issue, along with what you mentioned in your post. In the end both parties are really just there for themselves. Republicans are afraid of Gays/Illegal Immigrants/Muslims, Democrats are afraid of Profits/Competition/Common Sense/Christians. Neither one really gives a shit about YOU though, they just do what they have to do to get the reelection vote.
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Mitt Romney is a fucking RINO. Any 'republican' who signs socialized health care into law, supports abortion, is for stringent gun laws, and supports civilized union is not a conservative. He raised taxes and fees in MA like 750 million/year and flip flops on issues to seem more conservative when he is campaigning. What the United States needs right now is the second coming of Ronald Reagan.
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Mitt Romney is a toolshed. He doesn't stand for anything at all. That's the worst kind of politician.
I'm not aware of anyone I could vote for right now besides Ron Paul. Doesn't matter who the republicans pick -- I'm writing in Ron Paul (or maybe someone else will emerge before then).
Jim -- I think McCain might have been "some" better but probably not much. And you are right, even though I think Obama's ideology is wrong, there are several things that the said he would do that he COULD have and didn't that would have been the right things. There were a lot of things Bush did wrong that Obama and the dems promised to stop or fix, and then they fucking backed out of ALL of them.
A real democrat that actually cared about freedom for brown people etc would have gotten rid of all of the domestic wiretapping shit, would have addressed renditions, Guantanamo, etc. Obama did NONE of that. Infact, Obama apparently decided he liked how all that dictator power that Bush wrote in for himself felt, and so he kept it, 100%. Asshole.
It doesn't matter who we vote for in 2010 and 2012: Unless they are Ron Paul, or do all the shit Ron Paul would do, this country is done for. We're out of money, looking to start more wars in more places, and everyone hates each other. It's going to get uglier. Oh, and China keeps developing space weapons, so that when we say "Sorry, we don't have that 2 trillion we owe you", they can say "We bet you can find it, because we can see it just fine from up here"
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In my opinion Obama has been a disappointment. He preached change and i think his intentions were good but ran into the clusterfuck that is our government. Bitter republicans not coming up with any real answers shooting down any idea the democratic party comes up with in spite is no doubt going to be counterproductive. The economic situation is not something that just happened over night, it was a built up over years of bad practices and policies implemented by a number of different parties that assumed power. Obama was facing an uphill battle after he was elected, day 1. Basically the population as a whole is tired of the smoke a mirrors that is our government and that’s why you see people, who seemingly have no experience or intelligence as in the case of the South Carolina’s Alvin Greene getting the primary. The assumption is that if someone is unknown then they are not corrupted by special interest groups ect. Another point highlighted is the obvious lack of intelligence of the majority of our population. I remember seeing an interview of voters that were asked who they voted for and why and one response was verbatim “I voted for the other guy because I don’t like that Husain thing” were the person somehow associated obama with sadam Husain. (names contain some of the same letters??)I mean Jesus Christ really? (note referring to the person who they voted for referred to as THE OTHER GUY) Fox News as a whole is another herpes breakout on the lips of new broadcasting( I still say daily show/Colbert report most unbiased news on television) So we vote republican the next time around, my bet is same old shit. The classic argument of a giant douche or a turd sandwich….yes I love comedy central…..lesson of the day: get a job and put all your money in a mattress(that is until the monetary system fails)…world ends in 2012 anyway so who cares….
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burnteclipse;315761 wrote:
In my opinion Obama has been a disappointment. He preached change and i think his intentions were good but ran into the clusterfuck that is our government. **Bitter republicans not coming up with any real answers shooting down any **idea the democratic party comes up with in spite is no doubt going to be counterproductive.Sorry, the Dems have a supermajority. The Repubs can't shoot down anything.
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burnteclipse;315761 wrote:
In my opinion Obama has been a disappointment. He preached change and i think his intentions were good but ran into the clusterfuck that is our government. Bitter republicans not coming up with any real answers shooting down any idea the democratic party comes up with in spite is no doubt going to be counterproductive. The economic situation is not something that just happened over night, it was a built up over years of bad practices and policies implemented by a number of different parties that assumed power. Obama was facing an uphill battle after he was elected, day 1. Basically the population as a whole is tired of the smoke a mirrors that is our government and that’s why you see people, who seemingly have no experience or intelligence as in the case of the South Carolina’s Alvin Greene getting the primary. The assumption is that if someone is unknown then they are not corrupted by special interest groups ect. Another point highlighted is the obvious lack of intelligence of the majority of our population. I remember seeing an interview of voters that were asked who they voted for and why and one response was verbatim “I voted for the other guy because I don’t like that Husain thing” were the person somehow associated obama with sadam Husain. (names contain some of the same letters??)I mean Jesus Christ really? (note referring to the person who they voted for referred to as THE OTHER GUY) Fox News as a whole is another herpes breakout on the lips of new broadcasting( I still say daily show/Colbert report most unbiased news on television) So we vote republican the next time around, my bet is same old shit. The classic argument of a giant douche or a turd sandwich….yes I love comedy central…..lesson of the day: get a job and put all your money in a mattress(that is until the monetary system fails)…world ends in 2012 anyway so who cares….WOW, your view on politics is so warped and uninformed its not even funny. You sir have no real clue about the principles that made this country what it is, and Stewart/colbert is news??? What a fucking retard dude, you are the reason this country is going to shit
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DaveH;315765 wrote:
Sorry, the Dems have a supermajority. The Repubs can't shoot down anything.The Republicans just call everything that Democrats pass "socialist" and "job killing" and hope that the American people are dumb enough to believe it. For a party that apparently cares so much about small businesses, only two voted for a bill that would extend some $30 billion in loans to small businesses to potentially help create an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 jobs.
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I love how people continually blame the Republicans as of late when the fact of the matter is, the Democrats don't need ANY Republican support to pass their agendas. If blaming Republicans makes you feel better about yourself and the world you live in, that's great, but it just helps show how stupid and uninformed you are. The only smart thing I have yet to see so far is part of burnteclipses post...both parties are out for themselves only.
Biggest problem is the fact that the 2 parties have a stranglehold on our political system. THAT, coupled with the fact that most people view a 3rd party vote as a wasted vote means nothing about the current situation will ever change. Little grassroots tea party elections are popping up but once again, it just divides either the Republican vote or the Democratic vote and the last thing this country needs is another 4 years of Nobama.
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MisterCMK;315548 wrote:
Honestly, the best thing for this president would be to have a Republican Congress. When one party is in control of everything this is what happens...I agree whole-heartedly. I think I said that it was a bad thing that the dems had control of everything after the last election cycle......I want a Democrat president that has the power to veto the most extreme right wing bills that come his way OR I want a Republican president who can veto the extreme left wing bills.
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amicheze;315767 wrote:
The Republicans just call everything that Democrats pass "socialist" and "job killing"Who creates jobs?
and hope that the American people are dumb enough to believe it.
Well, they are still politicians
For a party that apparently cares so much about small businesses, only two voted for a bill that would extend some $30 billion in loans to small businesses to potentially help create an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 jobs.
The problem is that republicans are better at math.
First off, where do you think that 30 billion comes from? The tooth fairy? No, it comes from the small fraction of Americans who actually pay taxes and aren't a bunch of looting freeloaders. Coincidentally, most small businesses and small business owners are the very same TAX PAYERS who are bankrolling this bullshit. You don't need to be a genius to figure out that voting to steal 30 billion from people so you can give a little of it back to them is a bad deal.
Finally, if you divide 30 billion by 700,000, Uncle Sam is proposing to spend about 42k/year for each of those jobs it will somehow create.
As you know, that's about $21/hr if you're talking 40 hr weeks an 50 week years (2000 hrs/yr).
What do you want to bet that if any jobs are created at all, they wont be paying anywhere near 21/hr ?
The government needs to stop fucking with the economy. Everytime it does, it is a complete failure, with all kinds of bad side effects. Nobody in DC is smart enough to run the economy; read up on the Calculation Problem on Wikipedia. But don't take my word for it -- just look at the track record of these assholes.
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Trafik Jamz;315772 wrote:
I agree whole-heartedly. I think I said that it was a bad thing that the dems had control of everything after the last election cycle......I want a Democrat president that has the power to veto the most extreme right wing bills that come his way OR I want a Republican president who can veto the extreme left wing bills.What's an example of an "extreme right wing" bill that you'd want veto'd ?
What does "extreme right wing" mean to you ?
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