nitrous?
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no that trannie will handle it a dodge trannie can take a beating, and with the n2o i would listen to weshole, daveH, fallguy, PSHPSI idd talk to one of them the would be the best help, and if u could save the money i would rebuild the motor, then turbo, then nos.............it cant be that hard to save money
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i've heard both sides of the tranny deal. i'll have to do some more research on that. and it is very hard to save money. what w/ college and all. i do plan on a rebuild and a turbo within the next couple of years but i've been told the nitrous is the best bang for my buck and i like the way that sounds. who knows though...i still haven't made any immediate decisions.
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O.K. lets set some things strait. The little amount of hp gained out of n2o that were talking about running here will not kill your transmission or engine, stupidity will. If you drive like an idiot, it wont matter what you drive.... Shit will break. I'm by no means no authority on nitrous. In fact, I'm still learning myself. But I do know that if you don't get too overzealous, your engine and transmission will last a long time (even with nitrous). Don't be afraid of it. The people that don't like it (USUALLY) haven't used it and don't understand it. But it is a productive alternative to putting an expensive turbo-swap into a vehicle where there is few options available. But like I said before, it can be more expensive to run in the long run. Bottle fills add up. There is alot of info in the minds of some of the senior ricers/racers that frequent these boards so chime in fellas and help this guy out.
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american_made85 wrote:
i was told that nitrous would be the best bang for my buck and being a broke college student, that would be my best bet.Nitrous is the best bang for the buck... but speed costs money. Not only to go fast in the first place... but to fix things that break when you go fast. I don't care what people say... things do and will break. The transmission? Yup.. could break and could be quite spendy to repair. The engine? Yup, could have issues there throwing nitrous at it as well... and will be spendy to repair as well if something decides to go wrong.
If this is your only car and you absolutely can't be without it... I wouldn't start throwing nitrous or even a turbo at it then. Reason being? You said you are a broke college student... and that usually means you can't afford to spend the money on a new transmission or engine if one/both were to fail.
If you have another car you can drive if this one goes all to hell... then go for it... but just be aware that things do and will break... and usually with nitrous... when they do... it's expensive.
...and yes, I do run nitrous on my car and have for about the past 5 years.
Good luck though... speed is fun.
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What I meant to say was the turbo kit that Hahn Racecraft sells and most other bolt-on turbo kit's for NT cars don't really make any changes to the ECU itself. FMU is what is included on most kits. If you want more than an FMU, then chances are you are building your motor too.
In other words, a 3g turbo kit (or home brewed) works just fine even though the electronics are different. An AFC will work on just about any car as long as you hook it up right and the MAF (or MAP) are compatible with the pre-programmed settings.
As for the tranny, It's an Automatic. Usually they are a bit robust and will usually do fine with the increased stress. But to be safe, consider an aftermarket tranny cooler, shift kit and maybe beefing up your tranny mounts. That should aid in making it last longer. You could always consider swapping to a 5-spd (3g's and 2k+ Stratus R/T, etc). Read more about this on ASOG. There's even a guy that has completed a 4G63 AWD swap into his Avenger. Running low 12s if I remember right. There are also guys with 3.0L's swapped in as well as 2.8L stroker (over the 2.5L) and 3.3L and even 3.5L motors with 5-spds are now getting installed.
Wiz
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i have heard quite a bit about swapping the engine. some love it and some say its not worth it. as far as a 5speed...news to me, definitely something to check into. what kind of shift kit would i put in the automatic that i have now?...where would i find one? i've looked on the Hahn site and i didn't find a turbo for the V6. if you know where i can find one for a decent price, let me know. as i've been watching this forum and gathering info. on nitrous, i'm leaning toward purchasing a ZEX wet nitrous kit w/ the smart box. i won't do so for some time but that's where i'm headed. and for a back-up car...no, i dont have one but i was thinking about just buying a salvage 2.5 V6 like mine and doing a port and polish and maybe bore it out. i figure if i start doing that this summer, i can have it finished by the time that my engine goes.
thanks for all the input guys...keep it coming.
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you could use nitrous easily its just the shot u use u could use a 50 to 75 shot on the car easily and safley
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wizard, you seem to be ignoring the "broke college student" remark... as our grease monkey friend put it, i wouldn't go about beefing up the car with that kind of mindset. when something breaks and you've got no back up car or funds to fix it...
as far as your engine... the 6g73 seems like the black sheep of mitsubishi's family, it is generally regarded as no being worth the time to mess with. i remember asking caleb about a turbo for the 6g73 in an avenger (one of my friends had one at the time), and he said that the engine bay is incredibly cramped and that it would be too expensive/difficult to do it for the nominal gains -
Imagine trying to fit a 6 cyl engine in an engine bay the same size as a 2G Eclipse, becuase thats basically what they did.
That being said, you should be able to run a 50-75 shot atleast safely, I know the 420a's can take atleast that and you have a slightly bigger motor. Might want to check out fuel pumps while your at it.
Jim
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Not really....the Avenger/Sebring has much more space under the hood than an Eclipse. Mostly due to the front end design isn't set back as far and the headlights are flatter. Here's some pics of the 3g turbo-kit from www.ddynopower.com. Should give you an idea of how cramped it would be. But imagine a little more engine bay space at the corners and a bit more room between motor and radiator.
http://ddynopower.com/pics/engine3.jpg
http://ddynopower.com/pics/engine1.jpg
http://ddynopower.com/pics/engine2.jpgBut as for the 'broken college student', I must have missed that....sorry. I agree that you should look for a beater to drive if you plan on modding your car. Rule of thumb for any car....especially DSMs.
While I agree that the 6g series motors are junk to build (notably the 6g72 and it's amazingly high oil pump failures), I was just providing options.
Wiz
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adog wrote:
If the engine bay is really cramped, you could always do something insane like put the turbo in the rear, but there's no way that will ever work well.
It has been done, and isn't much different than strapping a turbo on the manifold aside from a very small power loss (compaired to turbo on manifold) if done properly. -
Wizard wrote:
While I agree that the 6g series motors are junk to build (notably the 6g72 and it's amazingly high oil pump failures), I was just providing options.Wiz
I disagree....if changed at regularly scheduled intervals(as directed by the owners manual) it does not fail as often as you make it sound. I think the water pump is more of an issue then the oil pump and, as the oil pump, should be replaced every 60k miles.
I also dont exactly think there is much sense in "building" the motor..since they have been proven to handle 400+hp. I will be honest and agree that they like to spin bearings if treated poorly, but so do lots of stock motors with 400hp. I think they would have a bit more respect if there were more then three fast 6G powered cars out there, because they are not hard to make power with. Im not trying to start a fight or whore, I drive one and thought I would stick up for myself because I dont think they are junk.
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^Yea, they are not exactly a piece of cheese.....
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