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SPANISH-RICE;231803 wrote:
at what point during any scuffle you might get in does a a gun come in handy? gonna scare somone with it? or are they gonna pull theirs? gonna get your ass beat and shot with your own gun?a gun wouldnt make the situation better, cuase like you said youll never use it, all it does is give false sense of security to someone who cant handle their business like a man.
I watched a study on this one night on tv, they had 4 people try to defend their home with a handgun in round one and a shotgun in round two. The scenario was someone broke into their home and they had to run upstairs to their bedroom, grab their gun from their drawer and stop the intruder as they entered their bedroom...about 12 to 16 feet between the door and the drawer w/ the gun.
The people they chose for this test were:
A housewife
A Security Guard
A Police Officer
A Navy SealRound 1 (handgun):
Housewife missed with all 6 shots
Security guard missed with all 6 shots
Police Officer grazed the shoulder w/ one out of 6 shots
Navy Seal grazed the ribs w/ one out of 6 shotswinner: Intruder
Round 2 (shotgun)
Everyone stopped the intruder with one shot...most unloaded more into him though, except the seal who conserved his ammo in case there were more than 1 intruder.
Of course, no one actually fired a live shot, but they were using blanks (to simulate kickback, noise, etc...) and laser sensors to determine if the shot hit the intruder.
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Of course -- which is why a shotgun is the #1 home defense weapon and everyone agrees on that point.
That doesn't have much to do with the CCW argument though. As long as its (effectively) illegal to have a concealable shotgun, people will need to deal with pistols for CCW
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SPANISH-RICE;231803 wrote:
at what point during any scuffle you might get in does a a gun come in handy? gonna scare somone with it? or are they gonna pull theirs? gonna get your ass beat and shot with your own gun?You don't use a gun in a fist fight, period. You don't draw your gun or let someone know that you are carrying a gun unless you fear for your life.
People who pull guns because they can't back their shit up are bitches, period. That is not why a law abiding citizen carries a concealed weapon. Look at the mall shooting in Nebraska, or Virginia Tech, or any situation like that and the need to carry is proven when there is someone on the loose or shooting that may take your life. Now the odds of this happening really are slim to none, but why not be prepared for that case?
You will find that most people that carry concealed you will 1) never know they have it on them, 2) avoid all bad situations as much as they can, and 3) be completely law abiding. I'm going to post a picture, which most people will probably flame on but of my carry rig and you'll understand how it works, how you can't tell I'm carrying, and why even if you look you will likely ever be able to tell that someone who is carrying concealed has a weapon on them...
Does it make me more of a man for carrying? No
Do I want to have to shoot somebody? No
Do I even ever want to have to unholster in public? No
Does it make me a bad person for carrying? No
Am I likely to ever have to use it? No
Do I feel better knowing that if a situation were to ever arise I have an option? YesThere is an NRA statistic that something like 99.9% of CCW permit holders will never draw their weapon. Of that .1% that WILL have to draw their weapon, 8 out of 10 of those situations where they may have to draw because they feel for their life will be diffused without ever having the pull the trigger.
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wanting to carry for that "just in case" situation does somewhat make sense to me becuase i can see how times like virginia tech and the other situations maybe could have been diffused earlier if someone would have had protection.
what im saying is carrying everyday, especially around here, is more than likely going to make a situation much worse once someone finds out about the weapon in the event of a disput or something. them finding out that if you have your weapon, even if your not unholstering it or trying to show it, might make them think they should have theirs out. at that point they may fear for THEIR life. and then what?but to be fair i can see how a situation where if someone wants to start something with you and you dont want any part of it the intimidation factor may help end the problem. unless they really dont like you and get their "equalizer" for next time.
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integra_gsr98;231797 wrote:
It is Utah.Bader and I both went to the Utah class and took the ND test at the same time.
Doh!
Yeah Utah!
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080815/us_nm/texas_guns_dc
Teachers who wish to bring guns will have to be certified to carry a concealed handgun in Texas and get crisis training and permission from school officials, he said.
Recent school shootings in the United States have prompted some calls for school officials to allow students and teachers to carry legally concealed weapons into classrooms.
The U.S. Congress once barred guns at schools nationwide, but the U.S. Supreme Court struck the law down, although state and local communities could adopt their own laws. Texas bars guns at schools without the school's permission.
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teachers and STUDENTS?
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SPANISH-RICE;231812 wrote:
wanting to carry for that "just in case" situation does somewhat make sense to me becuase i can see how times like virginia tech and the other situations maybe could have been diffused earlier if someone would have had protection.
what im saying is carrying everyday, especially around here, is more than likely going to make a situation much worse once someone finds out about the weapon in the event of a disput or something. them finding out that if you have your weapon, even if your not unholstering it or trying to show it, might make them think they should have theirs out. at that point they may fear for THEIR life. and then what?but to be fair i can see how a situation where if someone wants to start something with you and you dont want any part of it the intimidation factor may help end the problem. unless they really dont like you and get their "equalizer" for next time.
The point of carrying concealed is that nobody will find out about the weapon. That is why it is concealed. You also never unholster the weapon unless you intend to fire it. To get to that condition you sure as well be positive that someone is trying to take your life. Just flashing your gun to stop a situation or scare someone is brandishing and is against the law, whether you have a CCW permit or not. You cannot intimidate someone with your weapon it is a last line of self defense and that is it.
Also even in the event of something like Virginia Tech or the mall shootings, if it is nowhere near around me I'm not going to go looking for the trouble. I'm going to get to safety as fast as I can. People w/ CCW permits are not out to play cops and robbers.
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SPANISH-RICE;231823 wrote:
teachers and STUDENTS?For handguns you'd have to be 21+ to carry anyways so only college campuses would have students carrying. I know at NDSU I could walk through the parking lot and see shotguns leaning up against trucks as kids were cleaning pheasants off on their tailgate.
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StangerBanger96;231840 wrote:
For handguns you'd have to be 21+ to carry anyways so only college campuses would have students carrying. I know at NDSU I could walk through the parking lot and see shotguns leaning up against trucks as kids were cleaning pheasants off on their tailgate.Actually ND is an 18+ state for CCW. However, you cannot legally purchase a handgun FROM A DEALER until you are 21. Private party sale of handguns to someone 18 years old is legal. Of course you also have to be 21 to buy handgun ammo so if you don't look the part it's gonna be hard to shoot a gun w/out any bullets.
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So if you take the Utah class, you still have to take the ND one as well? I've been talking about doing this since I turned 21, and am kind of getting the itch. Plus, then it gives me a reason to actually own a handgun, and we all know how much fun it is to go blow through a few rounds at the range.
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blasting rounds at the range is pretty much the shit
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PSiedTSi;231865 wrote:
So if you take the Utah class, you still have to take the ND one as well? I've been talking about doing this since I turned 21, and am kind of getting the itch. Plus, then it gives me a reason to actually own a handgun, and we all know how much fun it is to go blow through a few rounds at the range.Although you don't need the ND permit if you have the UT one, it is best to have the permit of the state that you are in because it makes verifying the permit much easier.
Really the best recommendation would be have ND, MN, and UT if you are located around here. I still have to take my MN test but I need to switch my drivers license over now as well.
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PSiedTSi;231865 wrote:
So if you take the Utah class, you still have to take the ND one as well? I've been talking about doing this since I turned 21, and am kind of getting the itch. Plus, then it gives me a reason to actually own a handgun, and we all know how much fun it is to go blow through a few rounds at the range.I'm almost looking forward to being able to legally own and purchase my handgun that I've had since I was 12 more than I am to legally drink next year...
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integra_gsr98;231879 wrote:
Although you don't need the ND permit if you have the UT one, it is best to have the permit of the state that you are in because it makes verifying the permit much easier.Really the best recommendation would be have ND, MN, and UT if you are located around here. I still have to take my MN test but I need to switch my drivers license over now as well.
Oh ok, makes sense. I definitely do travel often in ND/MN, so that does sound like a safe bet.
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sitn2lo;231845 wrote:
hey guys this might be a dumb question but i had 3 missed calls today from the cass county jail.... is there ne way that the guy could have got my number off the statements or anything like that ..could be a dumb question just wondering tho.Are you afraid you did something wrong? If the cass county jail is calling it might be a good idea to answer.
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