Jay Leno
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Parker;244138 wrote:
so all in all... you want the government to control more of your life....Show me the more gov't control in what you quoted: (all in Blue are gov't control, red are more freedoms/lower taxes) those left in normal text can be argued as being either side.
tjamz;244134 wrote:
Just saw this thread...but what I want to see....Equal percentage rate income tax across the board
corporations paying their share of taxes (IOW, close some damn loopholes) 2/3 corporations pay ZERO corporate taxes...tax them at a flat rate as well
lose the incentives for companies to incorporate overseas vs here
more oversight regarding banking, not to protect the people from themselves, but to protect them from others
an end to the war in Iraq. You can't defeat an idea....Hitler tried that with poor success w/ his genocide attempt on the Jews
a solid energy plan that includes searching for new, reliable, efficient sources of alternative energy
a continuation of the farm program that ensures cheap food for everyone in this country. I don't want my food prices jerked around like the gas prices. I'll pay $.10 more today to save $.20 tomorrow thank you.
an end to the Patriot Act...or at least a total revamp of it
funding for no child left behind...seriously, we are going to cut funding for schools that aren't up to par...how is that going to help?
Someone who is going to stand up for all of the aspects of the constitution...but realizes that some things aren't as black and white as our founding fathers thought they might have been.
An end to the borrow and spend tactics of the current administration. I'd rather see tax and spend than borrow and spend.
Someone with the balls to sit down with the leaders of countries we don't agree with politically, rather than just overthrow them. It worked with Russia who was a greater threat than any of these little piss-ant middle eastern countries...I don't see why Reagan was able to do it, but somehow we think that the next (or current) president won't be able to.
Someone who has a plan to make healthcare more affordable and catastrophic care more available. (EDIT AFTER THE FACT: But also leaves health care as a private entity and is not out to have uniform/automatic healthcare) Though I'd argue this should be in red as it will SAVE taxpayers money vs the current system.
Someone who is willing to work towards stopping illegal immigration.
This is what I want from my country. This is what I want from my president. Neither candidate offers a total package, but one is a hell of a lot closer than the other.
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tjamz;244141 wrote:
Show me the more gov't control in what you quoted: (all in Blue are gov't control, red are more freedoms/lower taxes) those left in normal text can be argued as being either side.hmm you seem to have the constitution statement in red......... am i missing something
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zbrown;244143 wrote:
hmm you seem to have the constitution statement in red......... am i missing somethingNope. Following the constitution doesn't infringe on rights. Realizing that the framers had no concept of what a nuclear bomb is and that the average joe plumber probably shouldn't have access to them is the example of how the constitution isn't black and white. I clarified it in more detail in the other post I made in this thread. Please learn to read so that you may better and fully comprehend what my points are in regards to this (and most) political matter.
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Please explain this to me, oh "end of the world is coming cuz all corporations will move over seas" conservatives. Why have we lost more jobs overseas SINCE the Bush tax cuts than prior to? I mean, with all the money that they should have saved, there should have been millions of jobs created rather than shipped away....right? Isn't that the theory? We had 6 years of total conservatism (I use that term loosely...I should say current republicanism) and what we saw was a destruction of the middle class in this country.
Fuck George W Bush and fuck the majority of the current republican party (and a good portion of the Democratic party as well).
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I'm not the most articulate man in the world. I'm not the richest, I'm not the poorest. I work hard for my money. I've worked hard for the opportunities in my life. Anything I can do to give another the ability to do so I will back 100%. I don't believe in handouts, yes some people need help in dire situations, but the system is abused. I think a man should be entitled to the fruit from his toil.
Nothing is or ever will be perfect. Obama or McCain, neither will solve anything. I believe one will bring us closer towards my beliefs or at the least stop us from taking a step closer to what I do not.
One part of the original post that hasn't been touched... The Media's effect on public opinion. I watch the news and can almost smell the bias.
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actually, that is only part of the issue parker...cheap labor has always existed overseas and always will. Perhaps it was our willingness by the current administration to do business with a communist state such as China that opened the doors to even more sweat shops, shoddy items, etc..
read this article (I read the article in last month's readers digest...I'm just posting a link because I think it is a good read) and tell me there isn't more we could do to ensure that corporations set up here rather than abroad.
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uman44;244159 wrote:
One part of the original post that hasn't been touched... The Media's effect on public opinion. I watch the news and can almost smell the bias.When I do watch the news, i always feel that there is a right leaning bias in many cases...not CNN or ABC, but I never watch them.
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tjamz;244160 wrote:
actually, that is only part of the issue parker...cheap labor has always existed overseas and always will. Perhaps it was our willingness by the current administration to do business with a communist state such as China that opened the doors to even more sweat shops, shoddy items, etc..read this article (I read the article in last month's readers digest...I'm just posting a link because I think it is a good read) and tell me there isn't more we could do to ensure that corporations set up here rather than abroad.
http://www.rd.com/content/printContent.do?contentId=101737&KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=500&width=790&modal=true
i have read that before... i get readers digest... lol... if corps want to go overseas.... you just cant stop them... -
Parker;244167 wrote:
i have read that before... i get readers digest... lol... if corps want to go overseas.... you just cant stop them...Very true.. Incentives or no incentives, what's going to stop them? We still are a huge exporter of goods regardless.. But remember how many times you get something and read that it was made in China, look at their economy now.. A complete economic BOOM! Basically they are / were such a boomer they were a very big reason (along with other 3rd worlds coming to a booming economy) for the rise in gas prices.
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Parker;244167 wrote:
i have read that before... i get readers digest... lol... if corps want to go overseas.... you just cant stop them...But you can offer them incentives to stay. You won't stop them all, but you can make it more appealing to not do it.
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where am I proposing a slaughter of the constitution? By keeping in force waiting periods on purchasing guns? By enforcing background checks?
Even if the AWB goes through (which I'm not necessarily a fan of) I don't see that as stopping me from purchasing pretty much any gun I want. During the last weapons ban, I was able to purchase 2 SKS and AK-47 "assault rifles" and their ammunition. My father purchased his AR-15 during that time as well.
Now, I wasn't able to buy any RPG's, Apache Attack helicoptors or M1A1 tanks...and, though I haven't tried under Bush, I'm pretty sure I still can't....even though they are "arms" and should not be infringed according to the exact text of the 2nd amendment.
Can we agree that there should be some common sense in the interpretation of that amendment? > US Constitution wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "
You could easily say that the right to keep and bear arms is only applicable to the "well regulated Militia" which has gone on to basically become the National Guard. Or you could say that everyone is able to own any weapon the feel necessary for their own protection in the event of a necessity to form a militia. OR you could say that the words "Well Regulated Militia" mean that the government should be able to regulate the weaponry that the militia and its people are allowed to have.
Not all of the above can be true at the same time and therefore it is logical to think that some form of common sense interpretation, although different than what the framers of the constitution originally intended, needs to be applied.
No matter what the interpretation, someone will claim it is slaughtering the constitution.
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tjamz;244134 wrote:
Just saw this thread...but what I want to see....an end to the war in Iraq. You can't defeat an idea....Hitler tried that with poor success w/ his genocide attempt on the Jews
funding for no child left behind...seriously, we are going to cut funding for schools that aren't up to par...how is that going to help?
An end to the borrow and spend tactics of the current administration. I'd rather see tax and spend than borrow and spend.
Someone with the balls to sit down with the leaders of countries we don't agree with politically, rather than just overthrow them. It worked with Russia who was a greater threat than any of these little piss-ant middle eastern countries...I don't see why Reagan was able to do it, but somehow we think that the next (or current) president won't be able to.
Goddammmit chuck i know you are smarther than this.
End to the war in Iraq, yea, lets just leave. Great idea. Recently i got to sit down and talk to a guy who works for the state department in Iraq, helping them get their infrastructure set up. He told me that we need to think about it like this. We sit in our homes, and we have police and the military to protect us if anything should happen. Our shit gets jacked, broken into or murdered, we call a phone number and BAM! tons of people show up. They don't have that yet! They do not have the police or military backing to protect a very very new goverment, so it would be a completely stupid and asshole move to just up and leave now. The military personnel on the ground say its not time to leave, who am i to tell them how to do their job.
No child left behind is a goddamn joke. Because of this great idea, we told thousands of teachers who had been teaching for decades that their education was no longer good enough, teachers that had a ton of classroom experience are now retired, and not even well. We told teachers they had to do more work, and get better results with less pay. I'm sure you'd be real pumped if i came to your job and told you that you had to do more work, get better results, and i was going to cut your pay.
Tax and spend, as long as you are taxing the right people here.
Worked with Russia!? Are ya serious? The Soviet union didn't work out because of very basic infrastructure problems, and the fact that the entire government was corrupt. They were going down whether we were in
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GarageAlchemist;244206 wrote:
Goddammmit chuck i know you are smarther than this.End to the war in Iraq, yea, lets just leave. Great idea. Recently i got to sit down and talk to a guy who works for the state department in Iraq, helping them get their infrastructure set up. He told me that we need to think about it like this. We sit in our homes, and we have police and the military to protect us if anything should happen. Our shit gets jacked, broken into or murdered, we call a phone number and BAM! tons of people show up. They don't have that yet! They do not have the police or military backing to protect a very very new goverment, so it would be a completely stupid and asshole move to just up and leave now. The military personnel on the ground say its not time to leave, who am i to tell them how to do their job.
No child left behind is a goddamn joke. Because of this great idea, we told thousands of teachers who had been teaching for decades that their education was no longer good enough, teachers that had a ton of classroom experience are now retired, and not even well. We told teachers they had to do more work, and get better results with less pay. I'm sure you'd be real pumped if i came to your job and told you that you had to do more work, get better results, and i was going to cut your pay.
Tax and spend, as long as you are taxing the right people here.
Worked with Russia!? Are ya serious? The Soviet union didn't work out because of very basic infrastructure problems, and the fact that the entire government was corrupt. They were going down whether we were in
"peace talks" with them or not. So don't give us too much credit here.So...when does the war in Iraq end? Under what circumstances? We've toppled the gov't, installed a new democratic government and trained their military....what else is left? There will always be terror and with our forces occupying the heart of their land is viewed by them as an act of terror on a level as great or greater than the acts of terror that they have done to us. You can't fight terror with terror, as it only breeds more terror or hatred.
I actually agree with you on no child left behind, but if we are going to be forced to follow its guidelines, we need to have a way to fund it properly. Right now it is an unfunded mandate.
I'd prefer don't tax, don't spend....but that isn't going to EVER happen.
The point is that we never fired a shot in Russia....the greatest threat to our democracy/safety was defeated without a single shot fired. Iraq/Iran/Etc... all have corrupt, unstable governments that are nowhere near as organized as what Russia had....if it worked to wait them out, why won't it work to wait out the newest threats and work towards peace? If you work towards war, the result is always the same: You get war. If you work towards peace, the result might still be war, but you might also get peace.
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SmitEvo;244213 wrote:
Bush is not the reason the economy is down...if you think that, please get educated.Not the sole reason, but a contributing factor.
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tjamz;244204 wrote:
You could easily say that the right to keep and bear arms is only applicable to the "well regulated Militia" which has gone on to basically become the National Guard. Or you could say that everyone is able to own any weapon the feel necessary for their own protection in the event of a necessity to form a militia. OR you could say that the words "Well Regulated Militia" mean that the government should be able to regulate the weaponry that the militia and its people are allowed to have.I believe that the Supreme Court has ruled that it is not applicable to a "well regulated Militia"
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tjamz;244220 wrote:
Not the sole reason, but a contributing factor.Explain how...
greenspan...housing bubble, inflation, wall street, monetary policy, bond scams, stock market overvalued. How much of that does bush contribute to? How? Please cite sources also...
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