Thoughts on "Pefect 10" show
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mybadga wrote:
I was not saying that chuck cheated to win or anything like that, i just think and i belive that a lot of people will be on my side that judges should not judge their own cars in a show because i know of a lot of people thinking bad stuff when judges cars win. Not everyone knows how people judge their own car.trust me...he would have rather not judged his/our cars at all...
and i know you werent saying chuck was cheating at all...cause i completely understand where you are comin from...but in this case chuck is about as honest and fair as they come
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I scored my car hard, probably too hard as I think I had it rated around 2nd place in its class...but I was more concerned about being fair than winning.
Scott (I'm going off memory here so bare with me) I think you need some ICE and a few more interior mods (I know you have Katskin already). Exterior/Paint/Overall/Clean/etc.. you scored well. If I remember right it was DAMN close between you two. I really like your car and the route you've gone. IMHO the only things left are a system and interior mods (custom kickpanels to go along with a new system would be an improvement even and could count as points in two categories). To set yourself apart in the show scene I think you need to do custom type mods. Not the typical off the shelf type stuff.
As for me not wanting to give the best of show to Mark, that is partially true. I personally liked Tony Swartz's car better. That is not a stab at Mark, I'm pretty sure everyone on here knows what my complaints are about his car. If you don't, just do a search of Oddens Rod Shop on this forum and read my comments. They were the only 2 cars in attendance that deserved it in my opinion. I PERSONALLY liked Tony's better, BUT it was a car show and I'll give you all one guess who's car generally had a larger crowd looking at it. Bright Orange Paint, Lambo Doors, Custom Graphics....how can that not get noticed? He did what it took for him to win this show. I voiced my reasoning for Tony to the judges and they convinced me otherwise and I agreed with them in the end it was unanimous.
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PSI2HI wrote:
The whole car show crowd reminds me of elementary school when kids didn't get picked for the football team, baseball team, etc... Get over it, there will always be someone better, there will always be someone w/a nicer car, etc.. Losing should make you bring your car up to a higher quality in the future.If someone wants they can have my trophy if it makes them feel any better.
I don't think Scott was complaining, just wanted to know how to better improve his car. Scott is pretty level headed and is on the right path for building his car. All he wanted was some outside advice. Which is what I provided.
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PSiedTSi wrote:
trust me...he would have rather not judged his/our cars at all...I'd have rather not judged ANY cars since I knew so damn many of the stories behind the cars personally AND because I had a car and team in the show. I think we were pretty fair though, 4 cars out of 9 placed and/or won special awards, but like ground assault, a lot of us have tons of time/money into our cars so I didn't feel bad giving anyone a good score if they deserved it.
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IMO a "best of show" vehicle should not have any corners cut and be top notch in every aspect, not just shine in a few categories which a lot of vehicles around here do. Best of show is the best all around vehicle not just he best paint, best audio, best performace which a lot of people overlook. To me around here it seems most of the show car scene guys concentrate 95% on exterior appearance and dont give much attention to engine bay or interior. Throwing in a set of race seats and a monitor IMO doesn't give you full points for interior, throwin g a few bolt on's under the hood doesn't get you full points either. Attention to detail and fit on finish is key. You gotta be anal and you gotta be picky, and you have to choose your parts wisely if you plan to win big events.
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I can give honest opinions of everyones car and what i think needs improvement. I think most people around here think they can slap on a body kit, rims, and some custom paint and they should win shows.
Scott i think if you want to clean house on the Mitsu class you need to get rid of the tan interior(idk if you did yet or not), get some fiberglass audio work done, and need to get some more underhood appearance items.
Fradets car needs A LOT of interior and engine bay attention, and some existing part upgrades.
Tony's car is looking pretty damn good. I haven't seen any of the interior lately, idk if he's done much there or not but the body and engine bay look good.
I'll even say my audio in the trunk needs a lot more attention as well. Which is why i've got a lot more stuff started(EQ, crossovers, trunk lid, amp rack) thats going in there to finish it up but im way to lazy to finish it..........
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johny_boy32 wrote:
I don't know who you are and personally I don't care. Your a dumbass. If you got any problems with any of these vehicles (including mine) talk to me about it. Obviously nobody else had a problem with any of these cars besides you because you are the only retard opening your mouth. That, and I didn't vote for myself to get 3rd place. I'm sorry I don't own a dsm or a honda like everyone in this area. If your ragging on me for being orginal then your worse off than I am. My car is clean and well put together in my opinion. I know its not the normal show car from this region but I take pride on being different. Thats why I'm doing this, So i don't look like your car. Get over it.On a more positive note, Tintmasters put on a great show and it was well recieved by everyone I talked to. Again, my only complaint is that the lights were too dark to see in great detail and to take some pictures. Otherwise the show was great. Awesome job Tintmasters!!!
OVERREACT.....IT was a fucking joke!!! But thanks for the compliment of calling mea dumbass....a dumbass is a like a pimp compared to you
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i really appreciate the tips given. today i was at tintmasters getting a quote on a system from jason so that is a definant for next year, also i plan on doing a performance rebuild on the motor, polishing the turbo and intake manifold, and i really want a custom tubular manifold made, buidling the tranny, rear discs, and a new paint job. nick, i did change most of my tan interior to black because i really hated having all that tan in there but i really like the way shane and i designed the interior i feel it is nice and clean, next year if i got the money i may do a little bit more work in there i dont know though.
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300zx wrote:
OVERREACT.....IT was a fucking joke!!! But thanks for the compliment of calling mea dumbass....a dumbass is a like a pimp compared to you
It's over and done with. Sorry I didn't read it as a joke. Your welcome anyways. -
LOL to the above post, i agree that a best of show car should not have any corners cut, but he does have a lot of money into the car and it does have a big wow factor. i agree with chuck he did what he needed to do to get the attention, and i believe you were hard on your car chuck because if you weren't you wouldn't think it needs work and after talking to you and knowing you for a little bit now, i know you don't think your car is perfect, but i know you will work hard on it and improve it to make it better. I am probably sounding stupid but thats ok i am. I was just wondering if you actually had to judge your own car and how the whole judging thing worked. So you can all disreguard what i brought up i was just being dumb. I mean chuck look at my car LOL that is all i have to say about it.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
As for those ripping on the Escort... Dee that owns it is probably the nicest guy anybody could ever meet. He's spent a lot of time and put a lot of hard work into that car. It has many performance mods, including an Esslinger head, and probably one of the most in depth displays anybody could ever see.I would say he was a great pick for best Domestic SC.
he had not been there long and was still busy as heck cleaning his ride when i went over to see what was going on. i took alot of time looking the car over and then started thumbing through his book (now how many had a book), but anyways he was walking around me to get to the other side and i just started asking him questions and he stopped his cleaning to answer them and did so without a bit of disgust in his voice.
definitely a nice display and i love to see motor work done to anything that can have it done to it.
was great to have him stop and talk to me rather than brush me off to clean his car for judging. verry good impression.Monty
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For a first time show it went very well with minimal to no snags at all. What alot of people don't understand is there is alot of pressure that goes on behind the scenes (weather it be on stage, floor, judging, venders...etc) Whatever the outcome, people are never going to be happy. The best thing to do is to brush the dirt off the shoulders and figure out a way to become better for next year.
The only rant I have was the crushed bottle of O.J behind the stage..stunk like old wood and orange juice for a good portion of the night haha (the story behind it was quite hilarious).
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DJ_Mixed_Menace wrote:
For a first time show it went very well with minimal to no snags at all. What alot of people don't understand is there is alot of pressure that goes on behind the scenes (weather it be on stage, floor, judging, venders...etc) Whatever the outcome, people are never going to be happy.DING DING DING...we have a winner! You have no idea how hard it is to judge cars, do the security, clean your own car and run the PS2 booth. Sounds easy enough, but its really rather a pain. But I'd do it all again if asked.
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Thank you once again to tintmasters, models, and crew for their hard work, the entrants for showing and the spectators for coming! All are needed to make a successful show, and to me the show looked pretty successful.
My favorite part was getting to drive afterwards, but its been awhile since I have been able to cruise.
As far as judging goes, that is not one job I would like to have. It is a difficult job, one that always recieves harsh crticism.
And I agree with tufte, if you do not like it, try to change it for the next show. So far this year I have tried to do at least one thing diffrent to my car before each show that I have entered. (this time a carbon fiber spark plug cover WOOO HOOO!)
also to answer tufte's question I did get some things done to the interior right before Autovations. The pics are on the cardomain, nothing much but I think it looks clean!
thanks again everyone for a great time
Team EMOTION
TSCatalyst.com
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More Pics:
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by far the best pic from the show;)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b303/HiMtncPrncss/?action=view¤t=41b0aa46.jpg
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yeh prolly not.......none of the models were all that great but i mean if some of jims relatives or sister or some thing were there then meybe but yeh the car show was alright i didnt really enjoy the lights off part cuz i wanted a good look at the cars but yeh it was great
-This was not said by all_glow_no_go!
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