Why do people do this?
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yeah, i had a 90 cavilier Z24 as well. It was my first car and i got it for $1k cash, and put 40k miles on it in 2 years. It was a 3.1 5-speed and black and i loved it. as things broke i upgraded them while i was there. sprayed it for fun (100 shot) and blew a head gasket, so i ported the heads and intake and put a cam in it i got for $40. Chip, clutch, and alot of CV shafts, think i put 14 in it total. Anyway that car was quick and fun, and i learned alot. Put a total of about $2200 in it and sold it for $1200. I figure if it hooked it would run a low 14@95 or so which is actually moving in a shitbox. One day i was seeing if it would blow just for fun (had a spare motor) and i wound it out to 7000 rpm in 4 gears, think i hit about 155-160mph, and held it there for 3 miles, didnt hurt it at all. Ah to be young and stupid again, so, thats why kids do it. I do not support any of the body and/or hideously done paintwork on them though, thats just simply retarded
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goodnbuzzed - did you seriously find a body kit for the sunbird? agreed, never seen anything quite like that. interesting starting point, and probably pretty quick (for a sunbird at least) with the 3.1?
my first car probably would've been a sunbird if I'd fit in the thing to drive it.. ended up finding a 3.1 grand prix. those engines are actually really solid. If I could find a '90 turbo grand prix (running condition, reasonable price), I'd probably buy it. It'd just have to find a place to stay.
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^ u can find a body kit for almost everything...they even had some for my old regal, lol. I have to say the 3800's are good engines and last a long time, my 90 regal 2dr has 226k on it and runs great, I loved that car, most comforable thing i've driven. I personally would never mod one...I think of them more as winter beaters or road trip cars. I did see a Reatta once that was pretty sweet, 3800 supercharged swap and converted to 5spd...
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Since this is way off topic from the first post I'll throw in a few things that go with the current topic(s). The 3800 platform is good......after you replace the intake gaskets, upper intake, ignition (coils are junk), and transmission you can start to make some real power. As for the handling on the GP, like was said....BOAT.
As far as the 3400, 3100, and quad4...ABSOLUTE CRAP! Ecotec has major potential and is starting to show what it can do throughout the world.
Now I have a real question...give one guy a 1997 grand prix base and another guy a 1997 civic base hand each of them $2000 and tell them to come back in a month. Which will be faster in the quarter? Which would do better in an auto-x? Which one would last the longest? I honestly don't know the answer to these questions but I have my bets on which one will last.
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Im gonna go with the civic because for $2gs, you could turbo and tune it, and do suspension with swaybars. Handles decent and pretty quick too.
Obviously my opinion is biased, but show me how to make a base model grand prix easily run low 14's and handle pretty good for $2000. And obvisouly the civic has reliablity.
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darkelvis;201327 wrote:
Since this is way off topic from the first post I'll throw in a few things that go with the current topic(s). The 3800 platform is good......after you replace the intake gaskets, upper intake, ignition (coils are junk), and transmission you can start to make some real power. As for the handling on the GP, like was said....BOAT.As far as the 3400, 3100, and quad4...ABSOLUTE CRAP! Ecotec has major potential and is starting to show what it can do throughout the world.
Now I have a real question...give one guy a 1997 grand prix base and another guy a 1997 civic base hand each of them $2000 and tell them to come back in a month. Which will be faster in the quarter? Which would do better in an auto-x? Which one would last the longest? I honestly don't know the answer to these questions but I have my bets on which one will last.
This is the dumbest arguement about cars ever.
Apple to oranges,
You are trying to compare specific cars in specific situations that only the car you are biased to.
"Lets compare X car to a Y, in a catagory that favors X car only"
This is beyond stupid, and all of the import nutswingers are closing their ears and not accepting that you can affordably mod another fwd american car.
People buy different cars for different reasons than YOU did.
Bunch of fucking idiots.
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KA-T_240;201335 wrote:
There are some of us that know full well what can be done with american cars, even the FWD ones.Lame American FWD cars and lame Japanese FWD cars fall at the same speed (in a vacuum) when you push them off the edge of a cliff for being lame FWD cars.
Hopefully that satisfies everyone
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ok, how about this for an analogy
Give 2 people a civic and a grand prix, give them $2000 dollars. Then make them do the drag, auto-x, and road course. BUT, must have 4 people with 500lbs of luggage along and there is 500 miles between tracks.
See, most normal people dont buy shitbox hondas because they actually plan on having a life and friends. This takes a vehicle that is not only cheap, and quick enough, but can seat 4 and their luggage ocmfortably on a road trip. Now like i said, for the people that do hidious visual mods, there is literally no excuse and its a disgrace, just like a tasteless ricer.
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See this is why I like E36 BMWs. You can buy a pretty decent 325i for 4-8k, do some preventative maintenance (t-stat, water pump) put a little bit into performance (m3 cams w/tuned chip, intake/exhaust, fan delete, plugs), rims/tires for handling, and you have a nice RWD DD w/around 200whp that will last you a long time. Just slap some winter tires on when it gets cold and you're set.
Or if you spent a little more you could upgrade to a nice 328i/high mileage M3.
Edit: Plus the I6 sounds great.
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I just wanna put this out there and into perspective for everyone. For $1000 you can put a volvo into the 13's extremely easily. Making a car fast doesn't make it cool , even though I love Volvos. I'm just saying that even though your so called unique Grand Prix is decently fast, It's still ugly, and I can do the same thing to my grocery getter Volvo wagon.
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Bassplayer;201362 wrote:
I just wanna put this out there and into perspective for everyone. For $1000 you can put a volvo into the 13's extremely easily. Making a car fast doesn't make it cool , even though I love Volvos. I'm just saying that even though your so called unique Grand Prix is decently fast, It's still ugly, and I can do the same thing to my grocery getter Volvo wagon.And if you wanted to make your wagon fast, I would understand and wouldn't care.
Like I said, people get different cars for different reasons. My regal I purchased not to be a sports car, but to be a car that I could drive all year round comfortably that wasn't a bore to drive. So what if I spend a little time and money on it to make it faster.
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94NDTA;201367 wrote:
And if you wanted to make your wagon fast, I would understand and wouldn't care.Like I said, people get different cars for different reasons. My regal I purchased not to be a sports car, but to be a car that I could drive all year round comfortably that wasn't a bore to drive. So what if I spend a little time and money on it to make it faster.
Yeah for sure, I actually think you're regal is cool cuz thats way different than anything else. I'm just saying that the pontiacs are ugly as expletive.
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94NDTA;201334 wrote:
This is the dumbest arguement about cars ever.Apple to oranges,
You are trying to compare specific cars in specific situations that only the car you are biased to.
"Lets compare X car to a Y, in a catagory that favors X car only"
This is beyond stupid, and all of the import nutswingers are closing their ears and not accepting that you can affordably mod another fwd american car.
People buy different cars for different reasons than YOU did.
Bunch of fucking idiots.
Well well, someone needs a tampon.
Yes, it is a dumb arguement but it is the arguement that is being brought up in this thread. I was trying to throw out different types of racing to imply that it had to be all around built for speed, handling, and be able to last. As was said, you could do turbo/tune/suspension on the civic for 2k ish, but in the end it will probably lose in the auto-x because of the turbo as was hinted at by ka-t.
How does reliability, drag racing, and auto-x only favor one type of car. That is a stupid fucking comment.
When did I ever say that I was leaning towards the import winning the competition. I believe I said something along the lines of I don't know which one would win...talk about closing you ears and not being accepting of something.
Yes, people do buy different cars for different reasons, but this thread is about a specific reason, not about driving to school/work/gettin groceries. I've got a 2004 sentra to do that with. This thread is about performance.
And as far as being an idiot, like I said....tampon.
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